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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So what? You still end up the same.


    So what? You still end up the same.
    just because my conciousness will inevitably cease to exist doesn't mean I shouldn't enjoy my life or find joy in helpings others. I don't need a God to have altruistic morals.

    If there is no lasting consequence for what you do, then what you do doesnt matter -- in the end, Hitler and Mother Teressa are exactly the same.
    but they did have lasting consequence otherwise I wouldn't recognize their names! The actions of these people have had consequences for the living far beyond their life spans. Surely you see that.

    You arent addressing the point
    The point is that your death or you causing someone to die are equally irrelevant and menaingless- you still end up the same.
    Yes, YOU still end up the same. But its not always about YOU unless you choose to believe its all about YOU.

    Think of it this way: If you enjoy your life its partially because some people did things to contribute to your positive life experience. You can choose to continue that cycle.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

    Questioning or criticizing another's core beliefs is inadvertently perceived as offensive and rude.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Crap. I accidentally edited my response. Oh well.

    I'll just state this:

    Without an afterlife, in an ever-expanding universe, every particle that was ever part of you, after numerous recyclings, will wind up cold and alone in the vast empty expanse of the universe, with the next nearest particle so far away that its light will never arrive.

    If that doesnt paint a picture of how nothing matters, nothing will.
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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Much of Man's faith is derived from superstition....shall we allow astrologers to be judges?
    Survival instincts taught man to work together, rules of behavior are required in any group seeking survival in a dangerous world. The rules that worked are still with us.
    Your first statement presumes facts not in evidence. It is a claim which presupposes a knowledge which, if possessed, would of necessity invalidate all faiths save your own.

    Survival instinct alone is an inadequate foundation for even the fundamentals of law that exist in every society--indeed, law serves as a counterweight to those instincts in many cases.

    Which is why I do not consider the total eradication of religious influence from institutions of government to be even possible--even where there is not direct reference to a deity, or to holy writ, there is within law an expression of ethic, of "right" and "wrong", "good" and "evil" that transcends mere instinct. So long as man must believe, his beliefs must inform all that he does--including governing.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The point is that no matter what you do, you end up the same.
    Whatever you do, for whatever reason, you end up the same as everyone else.
    Thus, what you do is meaningless.
    so life is only meaningful if you are immortal? If not, then when is life meaningful and why should others believe such?

    As I noted before -- for clarity, add 'ever-' before lasting.
    No one you care to name has any more lasting effect than the very first bacterium.
    The first bacteria isn't meaningful to me. Theoretically it was required so I could become but my friends, family, and others have far more meaning to me than that first life form.

    It doesn't matter. Everyone ends up the same way.
    You keep repeating this as though its proving something. Its not.


    Without an afterlife, in an ever-expanding universe, every particle that was ever part of you, after numerous recyclings, will wind up cold and alone in the vast empty expanse of the universe, with the next nearest particle so far away that its light will never arrive.
    This is but a theory that's not strongly supported. Our known universe is expanding, yes, but whether the future you propose is a certainity is not well established. There are still too many unknowns to make the bold claim you do.

    Nothing you do or anyone else does anything to change that.

    Thus, you do not matter, nor does anything else.
    See above. I do not need to have an immortal conciousness to find meaning in my existance.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    I cannot answer because I am so torn on this issue. On one hand I support freedom of religion but on other hand feel the world may be a better place without religion.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    So we quit blaming guns for killing people, now we blame religion?

    When are we going to actually take responsibility and blame people for killing people?
    I was being sarcastic. The point I was making was precisely the point you just made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I might be misreading the good Captain, but I do believe that is what he is saying.
    Celticlord gets it.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    A world without religion, no religion no global Jihad and no more legislating morality by by victimless crimes.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Religion does not cause conflict--people cause conflict.

    Religion does not hate--people hate.

    Religion does not make war--people make war.

    Religion does not kill--people kill.

    Religion is not the problem--people are.

    A world with no conflict would be a world with no people, not a world with no religion.
    Yes but people invented religion and people use religion to indoctrinate the youth in order to have wars and kill people. What you're saying is akin to saying that the ideology of Nazism itself wasn't even part of the problem.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Your first statement presumes facts not in evidence. It is a claim which presupposes a knowledge which, if possessed, would of necessity invalidate all faiths save your own.
    Survival instinct alone is an inadequate foundation for even the fundamentals of law that exist in every society--indeed, law serves as a counterweight to those instincts in many cases.

    Which is why I do not consider the total eradication of religious influence from institutions of government to be even possible--even where there is not direct reference to a deity, or to holy writ, there is within law an expression of ethic, of "right" and "wrong", "good" and "evil" that transcends mere instinct. So long as man must believe, his beliefs must inform all that he does--including governing.
    Nice, a lot of words saying very little. How is it facts not in evidence? MODERN cultures in many places in this world use superstition, voodoo, magic, smoke and mirrors, etc.
    There is very little logical foundation for any religion on this planet with the one exception of a group of people using it to aid the survival of the group.
    And survival instincts have done more than anything else to guarantee our continued existence on this planet.
    Religious beliefs have been used to motivate more people than anything else. Sometimes the motivation and/or end result is good, sometimes not...depends on the leadership, the ones wielding the words and his agenda....
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