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Thread: Which religious situation would you prefer?

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    but NO influence on government by these religions...
    Which, so long as there are people that have a religion, is impossible.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If there's no afterlife -- no eternal consequence for your actions while on earth -- then nothing that your anyone else does has any meaning whatsoever.
    So if there is not some sky-God to condone your actions then they are meaningless?

    That doesn't make sense to me. Can you explain why it requires a God to give your actions meaning?

    God or no God your actions are of your own choosing.

    You kill someone. So what?
    Someone kills you. So what?
    And if you kill someone now, so what? Someone kills you, so what? Last time I checked God didn't swoop down from the sky and stop the holocaust, 9/11 and all other atrocities in this world. God or no God the situation doesn't change.

    As I've said before, if there is no afterlife then life is even more precious because there I no magical God with an "undo" button.

    On second thought, if I believe there is a God then I can kill people and cause harm indiscriminately because, afterall, God will set things right.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So if there is not some sky-God to condone your actions then they are meaningless?
    There's no need for you to misrepresent what I said.

    As I've said before, if there is no afterlife then life is even more precious because there I no magical God with an "undo" button.
    No. In a universe where everyting is temporary, nothing has meaning. Your actions carry no lasting consequence, good or bad.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-27-09 at 12:01 PM.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    If there were no religions it would eliminate that conflict, therefore decreasing the amount of things people argue about. This is my opinion, just what seems best to me.

    What do you think?
    I voted for the third option purely because i did not agree with the other two. Several religions is too little and one religion is just horrible.


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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No. In a universe where everyting is temporary
    How are you certain everything in the universe is temporary. Perhaps your conciousness is but why does that matter?

    nothing has meaning.
    I don't believe in God and many things have great meaning and importance to me. Do you think I'm lying or delusional or inconsistant to have such a belief? If so, why?

    Your actions carry no lasting consequence, good or bad.
    Wrong, they can depending on ones beliefs. For example, one can argue that good and bad are in the eye of the beholder (subjective terms) instead of under strict ownership of some Gods unknowable rationale which is unknowable to us due to his omnipotence.
    Last edited by scourge99; 03-27-09 at 12:41 PM.
    If you believe in the Supernatural then you can become a millionaire!

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Many religions, because there is no reason to get rid of them

    As part of continued arrogance of our species, we put the blame on the systems, rather than fault the people that are a part of them. This happens across a broad spectrum of topics, not just religion. The failings of capitalism, marxism, socialism, anarchism, liberals, conservatives, religions, football teams all have to do with the failings of the people that partake in these endeavors. Every system out there would work, if they could count on all people to behave and perform in a certain way. And thats why none of them work perfectly. It is our imperfections that are to blame for societies ills, rather than simply dismissing the problems as being caused by(religion, capitalism, conservatives etc...)
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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    A world without religion would be a world where there is one less thing to believe blindly in. Isn't that a good thing thus tipping the scales ever so slightly toward "no religion".

    Any cons of no religion? Perhaps people who can't handle there being no afterlife? However, there are plenty of people now who can't mentally handle the requirements placed upon them for trying to reach the afterlife they believe in.
    Your thesis requires several assumptions about religion that are questionable:
    1. Religious belief is "blind" belief: While not every human is a deep religious thinker, a good many, perhaps even most, do spend some time contemplating the meanings and implications of their beliefs. On what basis can we generalize that religious belief necessitates the willing suspension of reason intimated by the words "believing blindly"?
    2. Religions require an afterlife: This is just wrong. Some belief systems, such as Buddhism, impute a belief in rebirth, rendering an "afterlife" meaningless. Most atheists that I have encountered positively reject the concept of an afterlife. If memory serves, the ancient Hebrew traditions did not include an afterlife (this is a recollection on my part, and so I beg everyone's pardon if I am mis-stating this). We need not believe in Heaven and Hell in order to believe.
    3. Lack of belief is preferable to "blind" belief: This normative position requires some exposition. One could easily argue that "blind" belief is better than lack of belief; even if one merely believes without contemplation or reflection, having a set of beliefs does much to guide and inform human motivations, and, outside of certain prejudices, "blind" belief is not incapable of motivating a person in socially positive directions.
    4. "No religion" is attainable within the human psyche: In my experience, man is, as I have noted, a religious animal. We believe in things; this is part of what it is to be human. If, as I believe is the case, we cannot "not believe", we cannot attain the position of "no religion."

    For myself, even if "no religion" were attainable, I would not desire such a thing. Belief does most people good.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    How are you certain everything in the universe is temporary. Perhaps your conciousness is but why does that matter?
    That is the point. If your life ends, why does it matter?

    Importance to you does not equate to importance, it only equates to importance to you. You are temproary, and so any importance you place on something ends when you end.

    In other words: any statement of importance you might make -- so what?

    If you (however you want to define you) ceases to exist when you die, then there is no lasting consequece for anything you do. Whatever penalty you may suffer for what you do is temproary, just as you are.

    You kill someone. So what?
    Someone kills you. So what?
    No matter what happens, you wind up the same.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-27-09 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There's no need for you to misrepresent what I said.


    No. In a universe where everyting is temporary, nothing has meaning. Your actions carry no lasting consequence, good or bad.Strongly disagree..
    Define "lasting"..
    If 5,000 years, then the Pyramids
    If 50,000 years, then civilization
    The more advanced man influences the less advanced..or he tries to..
    This does not mean that the Christian missionaries were more advanced, in truth, they could have been more backward than those they were trying to convert...

    Things must have a meaning, otherwise, why exist ?

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    Re: Which religious situation would you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If there's no afterlife -- no eternal consequence for your actions while on earth -- then nothing that your anyone else does has any meaning whatsoever.

    You kill someone. So what?
    Someone kills you. So what?



    Personally, I dont care what religion, if any, anyone cares to practice.
    Fear of God doesn't keep from us from killing, but prison sentences and the death penalty will do that to some extent. We don't need religion in govt. There is no moral case in anyone's holy books that does not have a parallel in ordinary, non-theist based, government...
    I favor COMPLETE separation of church and state, with criminal penalties for either church or govt leaders who try to combine the two...
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