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    Removing the Filibuster

    Recently, the Senate Republicans have been filibustering almost every single bill coming through the Senate. They've imposed a de facto 60 vote thresh hold to get anything passed. Now I'm sympathetic to the filibuster as a last ditch measure in extreme cases, but using it on a constant basis like this? I don't care which side is doing it, if it's being abused to this point, it needs to be cut. Now I know that as a Democrat, I'd be removing an important tool from our arsenal when we're in the minority, but something needs to be done, as I see it. The constitution only requires a super-majority on a few items, such as impeachments. To force bills to pass on a 60 vote line is just contrary to what the founding fathers wanted, and to the concept of democracy. But that's just my thoughts. What do you all think?
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    I am sure you libs enjoyed all the times the democrats filibustered,so why change it?At the rate Obama is going with all the bailouts, potential weapons bans,socialism and potential tax increases he is practically handing the republicans the white house for the next presidential election.I am sure you libs would want every advantage you can have.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    To force bills to pass on a 60 vote line is just contrary to what the founding fathers wanted, and to the concept of democracy. But that's just my thoughts. What do you all think?
    Really? Then why would they add the ability to filibuster at all? To the contrary of your veiwpoint, I think this is exactly want the founders wanted. The whole point of the senate, why only 1/3 are elected ever 2 years and having the ability to filibuster is so that the senate would govern from the center, rather than like the house which may only govern over the 50.1% of the nation.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    In a two party system, no filibuster basically means a one party rule. I would be in favour of eliminating it if congress had a more diverse party base.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    In any Congress, regardless of which party has the majority, thank God for the filibuster.

    Merely having a majority does not make anyone automatically correct. Merely having a majority does not ensure all their ideas are good. Merely having a majority does not guarantee bills are sound legislation.

    The filibuster rules of the Senate, and the effective 60-vote supermajority needed to bring any legislation to a final vote, is an effective brake on the system. It has proven most useful in giving Congress time to pause on the punitive AIG-tax bill which bludgeoned its way through the House of Representatives.

    I, for one, am glad Senators have a mechanism for slowing down the process. The slower the process the fewer laws; this is a good thing.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Really? Then why would they add the ability to filibuster at all? To the contrary of your veiwpoint, I think this is exactly want the founders wanted. The whole point of the senate, why only 1/3 are elected ever 2 years and having the ability to filibuster is so that the senate would govern from the center, rather than like the house which may only govern over the 50.1% of the nation.
    The founding fathers didn't add the filibuster. They clearly wrote in the constitution that all votes would be on a clear majority, with a few exceptions like impeachments or constitutional clearly defined. The filibuster was an unintentional loophole written into the senate rules. It wasn't even used till 1841, quite a bit after the founding fathers. In other words, it is not what the founding fathers wanted, and not in the constitution. I don't know where you got your info about filibustering from, but its crap.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    At this point most of congress should not be allowed bail let alone be allowed to vote on anything.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In any Congress, regardless of which party has the majority, thank God for the filibuster.

    Merely having a majority does not make anyone automatically correct. Merely having a majority does not ensure all their ideas are good. Merely having a majority does not guarantee bills are sound legislation.

    The filibuster rules of the Senate, and the effective 60-vote supermajority needed to bring any legislation to a final vote, is an effective brake on the system. It has proven most useful in giving Congress time to pause on the punitive AIG-tax bill which bludgeoned its way through the House of Representatives.

    I, for one, am glad Senators have a mechanism for slowing down the process. The slower the process the fewer laws; this is a good thing.
    It could just as easily be used to stop someone trying to roll laws back though, it is a two edged sword. And don't forget, it goes against the concept of American Democracy.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    I wonder if the senate would filibuster a filibuster bill

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It could just as easily be used to stop someone trying to roll laws back though, it is a two edged sword. And don't forget, it goes against the concept of American Democracy.
    Anything that gums up the workings of Congress can hardly be said to go against the concept of American Democracy.

    However, my own skepticism of Congress notwithstanding, the filibuster is very much in keeping with the concept of American Democracy. It is very much in accordance with the Constitution, Article I, Section 5:
    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.
    The Founding Fathers gave each House the power to decide for itself what the regular order of affairs should be. The Founding Fathers may not have written the filibuster into the Constitution, but the license granted each House to set its own rules renders the point moot. The filibuster in the Senate is part of the rules devised by the Senate, in accordance with the powers and privileges granted each House of Congress per the Constitution.

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