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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    Thread thanks.

    I found this particularly interesting:

    Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a fifty-seven day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or sixty of the current one hundred senators.

    These were Democrats correct?



    Your desperate drama aside, what part of my question was a cheap political shot? Your answer certainly will provide amusing entertainment.
    The cheap political shot was that we were discussing something that wasn't specifically about either party, and you decided to try to dig up something to smear the party you don't like with. Let me ask you: what happened to most of those Democrats who opposed the act? For instance, what party did Strom Thurmond end up in? Jesse Helms? Most of those Democrats switched parties to the Republican Party, where they ended up controlling the party. On the other hand, the president who signed that bill, knowing full well that his party would lose the south for a generation, but that it was the right thing to do was a ... what again? That's right, a Democrat.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The cheap political shot was that we were discussing something that wasn't specifically about either party, and you decided to try to dig up something to smear the party you don't like with. Let me ask you: what happened to most of those Democrats who opposed the act? For instance, what party did Strom Thurmond end up in? Jesse Helms? Most of those Democrats switched parties to the Republican Party, where they ended up controlling the party. On the other hand, the president who signed that bill, knowing full well that his party would lose the south for a generation, but that it was the right thing to do was a ... what again? That's right, a Democrat.
    That's right. The real racists remained Democrats, the others became Republicans, and as Republicans gained ascendency in the South, institutional racism vanished there, also.

    Where are the places with the most severe race problems? Cities with predominantly Democrat leaderships. Gee, what a coincidence.

    Which political party has implemented those policies that have most damaged the black American family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that they opposed? That's right, the Democrats.

    Which political party takes it as an inarguable matter of faith that minority Americans need special consideration for employment because they're not good enough to make it in the real world on their own? That's right, the Democrats defend Affirmative Action still.

    Name the "racist" laws the Republicans have passed since they passed the 1964 CRA?

    Aren't any.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The cheap political shot was that we were discussing something that wasn't specifically about either party, and you decided to try to dig up something to smear the party you don't like with. Let me ask you: what happened to most of those Democrats who opposed the act? For instance, what party did Strom Thurmond end up in? Jesse Helms? Most of those Democrats switched parties to the Republican Party, where they ended up controlling the party. On the other hand, the president who signed that bill, knowing full well that his party would lose the south for a generation, but that it was the right thing to do was a ... what again? That's right, a Democrat.
    The notion that the politics of the Senate are not political can only be expressed by someone who is desperately provoking personal drama.

    Nothing I posted was cheap politics, they were FACTS.

    Carry on; nothing more needs to be added to Akbar eloquently response to your nonsensical attempts to make things personal again.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    There is one good reason to keep the filibuster, and our forefathers referred to it in their writings - The tyranny of the majority.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is one good reason to keep the filibuster, and our forefathers referred to it in their writings - The tyranny of the majority.
    Yep, that is why I argued earlier that the fillibuster is definitely within the original spirit of the constitution, while the fillibuster can be used to block something that would reform government and shrink the federal government, it can also be used to block something on the other extreme of the argument as well. Whether used for good or bad, I would rather have the fillibuster and take it's flaws than have a runaway train with majority rule.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is one good reason to keep the filibuster, and our forefathers referred to it in their writings - The tyranny of the majority.
    I can't agree more with the above statement.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is one good reason to keep the filibuster, and our forefathers referred to it in their writings - The tyranny of the majority.
    Did they ever mention anything about the filibuster or a supermajority?
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Did they ever mention anything about the filibuster or a supermajority?
    In the Constitution, regarding procedure?
    No. But they did allow for the senate to make its own rules.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    In the Constitution, regarding procedure?
    No. But they did allow for the senate to make its own rules.
    Call it the law of unintentional consequences. I doubt they intended for there to be a filibuster option.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Call it the law of unintentional consequences. I doubt they intended for there to be a filibuster option.
    Again, the way the founders argued, sometimes resulting in fatality(dueling) and the heated debates that formed the founding document, they would probably give the fillibuster a thumbs up, but that is just a guess on my part.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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