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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Refering back to my original point where I stated it'd make me laugh a bit seeing liberals on this board that never made a peep about the filibuster rules during the previous administration but now are saying something. That's who the post was refering to with the second one explaining why they may now "just now" be coming to the thought other than just pure partisanship.

    For example, Hobo has routinely seemed a level headed objective guy. He's most assuredly liberal from all I've seen, and makes no appologizes for it, and while I disagree with him ideologically he'll at least look and discuss issues legitimately. So him saying this makes me initially think its more that the fact that he's now seeing things HE believes are "progress" for this country being blocked by this that its making him possibly come to "realize" that the filibuster is an issue.

    This is different from some liberals who I believe would push for the removal of the filibuster now simply because Democrats are in power so its okay to get rid of it, but they'd secretly want it back immedietely come the Rep's regaining power.

    So my second post was more just explaining that the end of my initial post wasn't insinuating that only hyper partisan liberals would just now think of removing it.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Refering back to my original point where I stated it'd make me laugh a bit seeing liberals on this board that never made a peep about the filibuster rules during the previous administration but now are saying something. That's who the post was refering to with the second one explaining why they may now "just now" be coming to the thought other than just pure partisanship.

    For example, Hobo has routinely seemed a level headed objective guy. He's most assuredly liberal from all I've seen, and makes no appologizes for it, and while I disagree with him ideologically he'll at least look and discuss issues legitimately. So him saying this makes me initially think its more that the fact that he's now seeing things HE believes are "progress" for this country being blocked by this that its making him possibly come to "realize" that the filibuster is an issue.

    This is different from some liberals who I believe would push for the removal of the filibuster now simply because Democrats are in power so its okay to get rid of it, but they'd secretly want it back immedietely come the Rep's regaining power.

    So my second post was more just explaining that the end of my initial post wasn't insinuating that only hyper partisan liberals would just now think of removing it.
    Got it; thought perhaps there was news out there that Democrat politicians were suddenly thinking along the same lines. ::shivers::

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Well, it wouldn't surprise me too much. If my memory serves me right didn't old Nancy Pelosi start to try and redo the House rules to remove some of the minority rights? Rights that Nancy Pelosi and company spoke about how important and needed they were previously when they were the minority?
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am curious who this "they" are? I see that people like Hobo may take issue to this but have seen no news that politicians are talking about it, am I missing something here?
    I would have to do some research (Google is my friend) to pull the articles together, but I have read where Hapless Harry Reid wanted to reduce the votes for cloture to 55 from 60, or even to just a simple majority of 51.

    Interestingly, the last reduction of the votes required for cloture was also during a Democratic majority.

    Cloture originally required 2/3 of all Senators "present and voting". In 1975, the cloture requirement was reduced to 3/5 of all Senators "duly chosen and sworn."

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Recently, the Senate Republicans have been filibustering almost every single bill coming through the Senate. They've imposed a de facto 60 vote thresh hold to get anything passed.
    This is a tactic carried over from the Dems when they were the minority, especially under the Bush administration.

    Fillibusters are fine. But, those wishing to do so should be forced to actually fillibueter, rather than just declaring that they are doing so.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Wasn’t the nuclear option (bypassing Dems filibuster) what contributed to the ending of Newt Gingrich's career and helped get Clinton another term as President? The same thing could happen here, anyone that is perceived to have had the brain fart idea of bypassing the filibuster can kiss his career in the Senate goodbye. Rightfully so.

    That being said its been used by both parties in the past, Clinton's tax increases in 1993 and Bushes tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. My opinion is it is being used as leverage, leaving the idea dangling all the while having no intention of using it.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Recently, the Senate Republicans have been filibustering almost every single bill coming through the Senate. They've imposed a de facto 60 vote thresh hold to get anything passed. Now I'm sympathetic to the filibuster as a last ditch measure in extreme cases, but using it on a constant basis like this? I don't care which side is doing it, if it's being abused to this point, it needs to be cut. Now I know that as a Democrat, I'd be removing an important tool from our arsenal when we're in the minority, but something needs to be done, as I see it. The constitution only requires a super-majority on a few items, such as impeachments. To force bills to pass on a 60 vote line is just contrary to what the founding fathers wanted, and to the concept of democracy. But that's just my thoughts. What do you all think?
    Totally agree. It's not supposed to be used as frequently as this.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Is this any less frequent than the Democrats used it when they were completely in the minority in the senate?

    Not to mention, generally the first 100 days are the most active of a President and if I remember right Bush didn't *QUITE* have a true senate majority during his first 100 days though I may be wrong, so numbers may be skewed.

    What I mean by this is....

    If we're playing baseball, doing a home run contest type thing.

    Lets say one guy gets 10 balls thrown to them every minute for 4 minutes.

    Lets say another guy gets 30 balls thrown to them in 1 minute and 10 balls total over the other 3.

    Lets say they both his 20 Home Runs.

    The first guy averages 5 home runs every minute and each quarter of that contest he's hitting 5.

    The second guy then would average 5 home runs every minute BUT in the first minute he'd have hit FIFTEEN homeruns, while hitting 5 over the next 3 minutes.

    It SEEMS like the FREQUENCY is soooo much higher for the second guy, we must do something about it! But in reality, it's just because more balls are being thrown faster to him.

    The first 100 days of a presidency is like that first minute. Things are being chucked out amazingly quick, and they tend to be extremely partisan towards whichever side is in power thus going directly against the principles of the other side. Furthermore, we're in a unique situation where there's a major issue going on with two very different views on what should be done.

    I don't honestly see the Filibuster being all that more of an issue here then it was with Democrats when the Republicans had full power. I think removing the Filibuster would have a devestating effect on this nation whether Republicans OR democrats were in power because it completely takes any true check out of the process for the most part and allows a wide berth for a party radically taking the country full bore in one direction or the other.
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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I would have to do some research (Google is my friend) to pull the articles together, but I have read where Hapless Harry Reid wanted to reduce the votes for cloture to 55 from 60, or even to just a simple majority of 51.

    Interestingly, the last reduction of the votes required for cloture was also during a Democratic majority.

    Cloture originally required 2/3 of all Senators "present and voting". In 1975, the cloture requirement was reduced to 3/5 of all Senators "duly chosen and sworn."
    I would like to see this information.

    I have not seen any articles suggesting that Democrats are going to remove the filibuster as a minority tool to prevent the majority from running over them and rubber stamping legislation without debate.

    But if they do try this, it sends a message to Americans that Democrats only like rules when it suits their purpose and are hardly interested in honest transparent debate and Democracy.

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    Re: Removing the Filibuster

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I would like to see this information.

    I have not seen any articles suggesting that Democrats are going to remove the filibuster as a minority tool to prevent the majority from running over them and rubber stamping legislation without debate.

    But if they do try this, it sends a message to Americans that Democrats only like rules when it suits their purpose and are hardly interested in honest transparent debate and Democracy.
    U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Origins & Development > Powers & Procedures > Filibuster and Cloture

    U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > Historical Minutes > 1878-1920 > Cloture Rule

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