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Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?


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I wouldn't get too excited.
The GOP ran with old and inflexible McCain combined with young and ignorant Palin to lose the last election cycle.
The GWB cycle was almost a comedy, if not for the tragic loss of life over the Iraq war, for no good reason, so far.
These sideshows hid the fact you're still the borrow and spend right wing that you always were.

At some point scraping from the bottom of the barrel won't work anymore.


Then what's left for The GOP?

Without NEW blood, untainted by the diseases of dementia so prevalent in the GOP, it just may be relegated to the back of the bus for a few decades....
Conservatives said we need to stop allowing D's select our candidates.

McCain was The Moderates candidate; Frum, Kristol, Barnes.
He let Obama slide on Ayers and Wright.
He was too similar to Obama on key issues.

He was the Mods candidate and... he got beat by the most leftward and inexperienced modern candidate.
Lee Atwater would have made minced meat of Obama.
Unfortunately he wasn't around.

Obama is making Bush look better by the day.

The GOP future is a mix of old blood and new.
Jindal and Palin are two deep threats.

And neither seem to be the type to run a ***** Whipped Campaign like McCain did.

Foley and Vaudeville are used up... what slight of hand will you folks try next?
The Race Card, like was run during your primaries?

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Conservatives said we need to stop allowing D's select our candidates.

McCain was The Moderates candidate; Frum, Kristol, Barnes.
He let Obama slide on Ayers and Wright.
He was too similar to Obama on key issues.

He was the Mods candidate and... he got beat by the most leftward and inexperienced modern candidate.
Lee Atwater would have made minced meat of Obama.
Unfortunately he wasn't around.

Obama is making Bush look better by the day.

The GOP future is a mix of old blood and new.
Jindal and Palin are two deep threats.

And neither seem to be the type to run a ***** Whipped Campaign like McCain did.

Foley and Vaudeville are used up... what slight of hand will you folks try next?
The Race Card, like was run during your primaries?

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Obama won because the GOP let him win. They put up a poor selection of candidates, allowed them to knife each other in the back, and then chose a "can't win" candidate to go up against the new blood that the nation was craving. Again, I usually vote Republican, and did the last 3 times for sure. But I am not bragging, I am complaining. Neither GWB or McCain were good candidates, they were just "good enough to beat the democrat".....
 
Obama won because the GOP let him win. They put up a poor selection of candidates, allowed them to knife each other in the back, and then chose a "can't win" candidate to go up against the new blood that the nation was craving. Again, I usually vote Republican, and did the last 3 times for sure. But I am not bragging, I am complaining. Neither GWB or McCain were good candidates, they were just "good enough to beat the democrat".....

GWB was good where it counted most.
That the left was a party of retreat, defeat and protest was their weakness.
Their history and their turncoat behavior.
It will kick them in the nuts in the future. Good so.

We had several candidates that could have done a far better job, but as McCain noted when he won the nomination... thanks to I's and independent minded D's... we got him.

We have to stop IA and NH from dictating who the guts of our field will be.

Thompson, Giuliani, Romney were far better candidates.
Better fighters and communicators.

McCain didn't exploit Obama's many and significant weaknesses.

That's life.

But for the future of D's, as noted... have run out of trick plays.
Next time around Obama will have to defend his reign of error.

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How is Conservativism dead, dying or in trouble again?

I hear lots of liberals pointing out... obviously faulty views of what a conservative is, what conservatives want, and how it's just not gonna work. Really, a liberal finding problems with Conservative thinking and not getting it, someone call a press conferance!

I hear so called moderates saying the GOP needs to be more moderate... more moderate then what? Pickign John McCain as the Presidential Candidate? Yeah that's a dead end people.

The Conservative movement will come back, as it always does, when the left over reaches, and puts us into a hole. Cater brought us Reagan for example. Obama is pushing for such exapnsive, intrusive and cotrolling federal government that he... and the DNC are gonna over reach themselves. When that happens the Conservative movement will regain it's traction, lost in the jumble with Bush and the GOP 2002-2008 move to use government to solve problems instead of the right way....

And it will swing back for a while, and then it will go back the other way againa nd the cycle will repeat itself.

I for one am jsut glad we a have system where that is still possible, and thank God for it everyday.
 
GWB was good where it counted most.
That the left was a party of retreat, defeat and protest was their weakness.
Their history and their turncoat behavior.
It will kick them in the nuts in the future. Good so.

We had several candidates that could have done a far better job, but as McCain noted when he won the nomination... thanks to I's and independent minded D's... we got him.

We have to stop IA and NH from dictating who the guts of our field will be.

Thompson, Giuliani, Romney were far better candidates.
Better fighters and communicators.

McCain didn't exploit Obama's many and significant weaknesses.

That's life.

But for the future of D's, as noted... have run out of trick plays.
Next time around Obama will have to defend his reign of error.

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funny play on words....I guess..
What if the DOW returns to 14,000 and joblesses drops to historic levels and we return to our position of creditor nation instead of debtor nation ?
I predict that Obama will succeed despite the best efforts of whiny republicans who are so partisan that they would rather see success delayed til it can happen on their watch. Hopefully, they are holding their breath til that happens, so the worst of them can suffocate. I want to continue voting republican, but won't vote for a pervert who hangs out in public restrooms, serial adulterers, intern molesters, scumbags who rip off indian tribes with promises of casino permits, bribe takers, and the list can go on but you get the idea.
The GOP hoisted itself on its own petard, and it can't get off!!!!
Conservatism has to find a new home if the GOP house can't evict the current residents who only masquerade as conservatives.

Selfishness and greed are the clarion call for GOP uber capitalists who only pretend to be conservatives.

There seems to be no capacity for shame and/or embarrassment among the GOP.

Their only real talent lately has been to try to sweep things under the rug, coverup the crimes of their colleagues, and to try to dupe the dopes among us who still have faith in the GOP leadership...
 
funny play on words....I guess..
What if the DOW returns to 14,000 and joblesses drops to historic levels and we return to our position of creditor nation instead of debtor nation ?
It could happen, but not with the plans Obama and Co. are following, never has, never will produce such results.

I predict that Obama will succeed despite the best efforts of whiny republicans who are so partisan that they would rather see success delayed til it can happen on their watch.
On what do you base the chances of Obama's plans working? Hope? Emotion?

Hopefully, they are holding their breath til that happens, so the worst of them can suffocate.
Can you show some threads where you felt the same way about Democrat Obstructionism while Bush was President?

I want to continue voting republican, but won't vote for a pervert who hangs out in public restrooms, serial adulterers, intern molesters, scumbags who rip off indian tribes with promises of casino permits, bribe takers, and the list can go on but you get the idea.
You've never voted Republican in your life...

The GOP hoisted itself on its own petard, and it can't get off!!!!
Conservatism has to find a new home if the GOP house can't evict the current residents who only masquerade as conservatives.

Selfishness and greed are the clarion call for GOP uber capitalists who only pretend to be conservatives.

There seems to be no capacity for shame and/or embarrassment among the GOP.

Their only real talent lately has been to try to sweep things under the rug, coverup the crimes of their colleagues, and to try to dupe the dopes among us who still have faith in the GOP leadership...

You sound so bitter, do tell, name three conservatives in the past 50 years you felt were worthy, worth your time to listen too, who had the right ideas.

Come now, let's hear it.
 
It could happen, but not with the plans Obama and Co. are following, never has, never will produce such results.

On what do you base the chances of Obama's plans working? Hope? Emotion?

Can you show some threads where you felt the same way about Democrat Obstructionism while Bush was President?

You've never voted Republican in your life...



You sound so bitter, do tell, name three conservatives in the past 50 years you felt were worthy, worth your time to listen too, who had the right ideas.

Come now, let's hear it.
On what basis do you determine the future? On what basis are you deciding up front that Obama will fail?
When did Bush try to solve health care issues? Education issues? Energy issues? Entitlement issues? Yeah, he tried to get us to put our SS into the stock market, and if he had succeeded, he would have been rode out of the country on a rail, tarred and feathered....it would have taken the military to save his ass. Wall Street financiers wouldn't have to jump out of the windows of tall buildings, the public would have been throwing them out....
Most leaders from both parties TALK a good game, but don't do anything once elected.
Obama is trying on several fronts, and you FAR RIGHT GOP GOOBERS berate him for not solving the economy issue first and then tackle the others. Fact is, the GOP leadership can't handled a multi-front attack on issues, and are deathly afraid that Obama will succeed, thus sealing the coffin of the GOP for decades to come.
I voted GOP all but one of the presidential elections, but I am seeking remission of my sins.....:2razz:
 
Any conservative who questions party ideology is immediately shunned, this is a hallmark of the movement. This is also a reason Frum is right, no party can survive for long on hatred and lies, which is all the Republicans have left.

Yeah, we showed that Joe Lieberman a thing or two, going against the party like that!!!


Oh, wait a minute...
 
On what basis do you determine the future?
I prefer what works to what is proven to fail...

On what basis are you deciding up front that Obama will fail?
Common sense and past attempts.. though few have tried so hard at failing as Obama is.

When did Bush try to solve health care issues?
Obama doesn't care about health care issues, he cares about Government control, and making people dependent on the Government. Is he doing this out of some nefarious tyrrany complex, my bet so far is no.. he just believes that people are too stupid to survive without Government.

Education issues?
No Child Left Behind. He did try.

Energy issues?
He tried to some extent, but he's goals were not the same as yours.

Entitlement issues?
It'd of been nice had he tried to end more of them.

Yeah, he tried to get us to put our SS into the stock market, and if he had succeeded, he would have been rode out of the country on a rail, tarred and feathered....it would have taken the military to save his ass.
Actually that sort of monetary influx might have been a far better "stimulus" then what's currently going on. The Stock Market is cyclical. Only a fool tries to stop that.

Wall Street financiers wouldn't have to jump out of the windows of tall buildings, the public would have been throwing them out....
Perhaps, perhaps not. If we keep having idiots following fools in declaring anger misplaced at the free market system then perhaps.


Most leaders from both parties TALK a good game, but don't do anything once elected.
Obama talked a bad game and is pushing a worse one.

Obama is trying on several fronts, and you FAR RIGHT GOP GOOBERS berate him for not solving the economy issue first and then tackle the others. Fact is, the GOP leadership can't handled a multi-front attack on issues, and are deathly afraid that Obama will succeed, thus sealing the coffin of the GOP for decades to come.
I voted GOP all but one of the presidential elections, but I am seeking remission of my sins.....:2razz:
If you think Obama's move towards a Nanny state is a good move, you really should do some research into history.
 
I prefer what works to what is proven to fail...

Common sense and past attempts.. though few have tried so hard at failing as Obama is.

Obama doesn't care about health care issues, he cares about Government control, and making people dependent on the Government. Is he doing this out of some nefarious tyrrany complex, my bet so far is no.. he just believes that people are too stupid to survive without Government.

No Child Left Behind. He did try.

He tried to some extent, but he's goals were not the same as yours.

It'd of been nice had he tried to end more of them.

Actually that sort of monetary influx might have been a far better "stimulus" then what's currently going on. The Stock Market is cyclical. Only a fool tries to stop that.

Perhaps, perhaps not. If we keep having idiots following fools in declaring anger misplaced at the free market system then perhaps.


Obama talked a bad game and is pushing a worse one.


If you think Obama's move towards a Nanny state is a good move, you really should do some research into history.

who are you to determine what the president cares about? Unfounded hatred is a sign of bigotry and ignorance.
NCLB was never properly funded, so he did NOT try. My wife is a retired educator, my son still is, and they say NCLB is a bust, as do most teachers.
Energy issues, what did he try? Quick, make something up....
The stock market is only as cyclical as the crooks running it want it to be.
Alternate energy and history are 2 of my hobbies, and I am a news junky. Tell me what I missed on the few days I missed the news, tell me what Bush accomplished on healthcare, energy, education, or ANY social issue that is keeping America from competing with the rest of the world....
Did he keep ANY of his campaign promises?
He was a caretaker president, an interim president, one that got elected and then coasted through on hid dad's merit, one who was controlled and manipulated by his VP and his daddy's friends. The only thing he did was "stay the course" in Iraq, even after it was clear that this was yet another war with a culture that is foreign to our way of thinking. He also created more terrorists who hate the USA than OBL ever did.....
GWB is worse than Jimmy Carter as far as recent presidents go, but at least he knows to keep his mouth shut now that he is an ex-president. I wish his VP had the good sense to do the same.:2razz:
 
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