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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    The problem with uber-conservatives is that the world changes and they can't see it changing. Given enough time, they become dinosaurs of politics.
    You can apply that to any period of history and it fits.
    Change happens and you either use change to your advantage or you become irrelevant....
    The GOP needs to stop harping on social issues that the GOP public is willing to modify. Abortion is here to stay, as are gays and lesbians wanting to marry. Pandora's box is open, there is no closing it.
    The GOP needs to fight the battles they can win, like economic issues, and that doesn't mean just taking an oppositional stance to whatever the DEMS come up with.
    Playing defense all the time is no way to win....
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Frum is an idiot...

    I agree with rush.
    Any conservative who questions party ideology is immediately shunned, this is a hallmark of the movement. This is also a reason Frum is right, no party can survive for long on hatred and lies, which is all the Republicans have left.

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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Save for Rush has stated repeatedly that he doesn't want to be the leader of the GOP and isn't the leader of the GOP. And guess what, I believe 98% of republicans AGREE THAT HE'S not.
    Maybe that 98% ought to grow a pair then and not beg Boss Rush for forgiveness every time they say anything that might offend him.

    For all intents and purposes, Rush is the leader of the conservative movement in America today. Thats your problem.

    Frum's problem is that he is something of an intellectual, and we all know how much today's conservatives despise objectivity and intellect.
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Maybe that 98% ought to grow a pair then and not beg Boss Rush for forgiveness every time they say anything that might offend him.
    For all intents and purposes, Rush is the leader of the conservative movement in America today. Thats your problem.

    Frum's problem is that he is something of an intellectual, and we all know how much today's conservatives despise objectivity and intellect.
    All of our GOP leadership could be female, or of the log cabin republican variety, for all I care, as long as they have BRAINS.
    Rush will "lead" the GOP to a second defeat 2 years from now, and probably a third 4 years from now.
    UNLESS, Obama really screws up and embarrasses the Democratic party.
    He could do something like get a white girl friend and have a baby with her....
    Didn't the GOP accuse McCain of fathering a black baby back during the 2000 elections? Did that help Bush?
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    The biggest rift I see for conservatism, is the one on social issues. Due to the evangelical tie in with the republican party, it creates an at odds approach with the more libertarian minded folks who normally would be inclined to go with the smaller government party(read smaller, not necessarily small government at this point in the game). Somehow this gap needs to be bridged if the conservatives want to ever regain power with the voting populace. And I honestly don't know if it can be bridged. There seems to be no common ground between the two entities regarding social issues. The best they could possibly do, is prehaps to leave social issues as something pertaining to states, and leave those issues on the back burner in debate.
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    The biggest rift I see for conservatism, is the one on social issues. Due to the evangelical tie in with the republican party, it creates an at odds approach with the more libertarian minded folks who normally would be inclined to go with the smaller government party(read smaller, not necessarily small government at this point in the game). Somehow this gap needs to be bridged if the conservatives want to ever regain power with the voting populace. And I honestly don't know if it can be bridged. There seems to be no common ground between the two entities regarding social issues. The best they could possibly do, is prehaps to leave social issues as something pertaining to states, and leave those issues on the back burner in debate.
    Good idea...
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    I'm interested to see if the GOP panders to Libertarians this next election. They can use all the help they can get.
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I'm interested to see if the GOP panders to Libertarians this next election. They can use all the help they can get.
    If they will pander to the religious right, they will pander to anybody. Maybe this is the time for libertarians to start positioning themselves?
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If they will pander to the religious right, they will pander to anybody. Maybe this is the time for libertarians to start positioning themselves?
    I would love to see it, but I doubt it will happen. The majority of Americans have no clue what Libertarianism means or what it's constituency believes in. It would be nice to have a Libertarian participate in the Presidential Debates, thus educating the populace on our positions. Again, I doubt it will happen but I would be pleased to be proven wrong.
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    Re: Is David Frum right about Conservatism's future?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Maybe that 98% ought to grow a pair then and not beg Boss Rush for forgiveness every time they say anything that might offend him.

    For all intents and purposes, Rush is the leader of the conservative movement in America today. Thats your problem.

    Frum's problem is that he is something of an intellectual, and we all know how much today's conservatives despise objectivity and intellect.
    Well, considering you've been absolutely wrong about anything dealing with Conservatism well...just about every single time I've ever interacted with you...excuse me as I don't really care what YOU tell me is the reality of things for the "conservative movement in America".

    The fact is, he's not the leader. That's an actual fact. He's not an elected leader, he's not the head of the GOP, over 90% of polled republicans don't consider him it. No matter how much you, like you routinely do, incorrectly tell conservatives what they believe doesn't make it true it just makes you ignorant on the subject.
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