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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because in the vast majority of cases, people in those countries choose where they work. If they are unsatisfied with their wages, they can look elsewhere.
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    If they are in a 3rd would country jobs might be extremely scarce(those people are not poor because of a overabundance of jobs) they do not have a choice. I can't really imagine someone communist country actually having a choice to demand a fair wage.So it is idiotic to say oh they can just go work somewhere else if they do not like the wages.


    Supply and demand.
    Supply and demand is a two way street. IF companies have a hard time finding legal workers then they must compete with other companies for legal workers not try to import an illegal workforce.


    Same thing. If the illegals are unsatisfied with their wages, they can look elsewhere. Supply and demand.
    If they are here illegally then they do not have a choice in what wage they can take.They are here illegally they are not in a room to demand ****.


    What gives you the right to demand a ridiculously high wage

    if someone else is willing to do the same job for a fraction of the price?
    The same right you have to ask for a ridiculously high wage.I am pretty sure there is someone in a 3rd world country who can replace you.


    So if we found someone in a 3rd world dirt poor country and smuggled him over here to do your job for a fraction of what you were paid you wouldn't have a problem?

    You have no one to blame but yourself if you didn't get an education or acquire any useful skills to remain competitive in a global marketplace.
    Last time I checked America has borders, so we are not competing in a global market place for jobs, were are competing in American for jobs.

    It is not the fault of The Brown Man or The Yellow Man
    It is the fault of the traitors in office who tossed the salad of anti-American businesses trying to increase their profit margin.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But of course, they're still not forced to purchase anything, they can simply not buy it.

    So again, I ask, how are Americans being FORCED (your word) to purchase inferior goods?
    Simple. When there is no trade with the rest of the world, domestic product quality decreases and cost goes up. We've seen this time and time again. The last major example was Bush's tariffs that resulted in American steel imperfections rising per ton and prices rising. Americans bought inferior goods at higher prices due to restrictions on trade. When you are barred either legally or through tariffs from purchasing foreign goods that you need, you are forced to purchase domestic goods to get the materials you need to do whatever you need to do. Everyone who supports isolationism from free trade (which by the way is Marxist despite rage's rantings) supports forcing Americans to buy inferior goods at higher prices.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does allowing companies to out source to communist and 3rd world countries and allowing companies to hire illegals not do the same thing?
    I realize you have no idea who Marx is, but Marx specifically noted that a Communist country would isolate itself from free trade. Calling countries that are focusing on the export orientation in the free trade world of the Asian Tigers "Communist" is like calling Franco's Spain a representative Democracy. It makes no sense.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    In response to the question I would say no, because demand for inferior goods would go down, and then someone on some end loses something.

    What if you have no choice?

    Imported high quality steel has been tariffed to the sky making it unaffordable while inferior quality American steel costs more than pre-tariff, and you need steel but are on a budget for your construction project. You end up paying more than you would before the tariff for inferior goods. This is percisely what happened when Bush allowed the steel tariffs. American steel went south in quality and north in price while foreign steel which was cheaper AND of higher quality was tariffed out of most budgets. Americans were forced to pay more for inferior products.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Forced by whom?
    By little green gobblins with pink shoes.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you are holding your anti-stupid gun backwards.....
    On the contrary, only a few people can read between the lines. I may need to be more direct in such statements. However, given the polling results, people seem to agree with me that we shouldn't. So maybe I'm not holding the gun backwards?

    Not to mention that every time I discuss how protectionism for the most part is bad stuff, those who disagree with me flee.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    By little green gobblins with pink shoes.
    Protectionism scum like Unions and the politicians they control.
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Simple. When there is no trade with the rest of the world, domestic product quality decreases and cost goes up. We've seen this time and time again. The last major example was Bush's tariffs that resulted in American steel imperfections rising per ton and prices rising. Americans bought inferior goods at higher prices due to restrictions on trade. When you are barred either legally or through tariffs from purchasing foreign goods that you need, you are forced to purchase domestic goods to get the materials you need to do whatever you need to do. Everyone who supports isolationism from free trade (which by the way is Marxist despite rage's rantings) supports forcing Americans to buy inferior goods at higher prices.
    I suppose you have proof that american steel became inferior, more imperfections, etc. ?
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    On the contrary, only a few people can read between the lines. I may need to be more direct in such statements. However, given the polling results, people seem to agree with me that we shouldn't. So maybe I'm not holding the gun backwards?

    Not to mention that every time I discuss how protectionism for the most part is bad stuff, those who disagree with me flee.
    I fleed? No, I just had more important things to do for awhile, but I get back from time to time.. Nothing l like more than arguing with a child....

    I haven't heard the reports about inferior american made steel, unless we include the bad steel coming out of Mexico, which is part of North America...
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    Re: Americans should be forced to purchase inferior goods at higher prices

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I suppose you have proof that american steel became inferior, more imperfections, etc. ?
    USATODAY.com - Steel tariffs catch some in middle

    Gaskin is one of more than 50 people who testified in Washington, D.C. on June 19-20 to express critical concerns about the tariffs, including loss of jobs, steel unavailability, poor quality of raw material, a rising cost of steel, declining profitability and loss of work to foreign competition.
    PMA Calls for End to 201 Steel Tariffs During ITC 332 Hearings (6/26) - Today's News Updates (view all) - Appliance Design

    "Since the imposition of the tariffs, we have been struggling with shortages of material, skyrocketing prices and poor quality steel…it's putting us further and further behind." When shipments arrive late, Janes has had to send employees home, and then pay overtime when material finally does arrive - a "tremendous burden," he states.
    Wisconsin-Area Companies To Rep. Ryan: Steel Tariffs Threaten Local Economy

    And it makes sense. With a severe reduction in competition, there's little push to ensure quality controls. Classic outcome of interference in markets.
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