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    22 37.93%
  • 10%

    10 17.24%
  • 15%

    4 6.90%
  • 20%

    7 12.07%
  • 25%

    5 8.62%
  • 30%

    2 3.45%
  • 35%

    3 5.17%
  • 40%

    2 3.45%
  • 45%

    1 1.72%
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    To me the more simple and transparent the tax policy the better. As of the end of 2008 total U.S. government spending at all levels(local, state, federal) is approximately 38% of national income. If the U.S. had one income tax with no deductions that taxed the first $80,000 of income at a 10% rate, and any additional income above that at a 50% rate(a person making a $100,000 would pay 18,000 in taxes), then it would just cover total government spending. Approximately 80% of taxpayers would have a 10% rate. And there would be no sales taxes, tariffs, property taxes, etc.(Warning: figures were done quickly by meathead.)

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    A flat tax would not work nor be fair at all.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    A flat tax would not work nor be fair at all.
    how so-a progressive tax violates several objective concepts of fairness. IT also allows congress way more power than the constitution intended. Pure fairness would require people to pay for what they use. IT is a fraudulent concept of fairness to tell me I have a duty to pay for someone else's existence through the coercive power of the government.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ah, I see. You're one of the conservatives who considers the 90% of the population that favors more than a bare-bones government to be liberals.
    That's not very accurate, but let's run with it for the sake of entertainment

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Fine. By your definition, liberals want more taxes and more spending, and conservatives want less taxes and less spending. But since we "liberals" are 90% of the population and control both parties and the entire government, why not pay for what we're spending NOW?
    You shouldn't be spending what you're spending NOW, is why.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    When you can get another 41% of the population to join you, then maybe we'll talk about doing the opposite and cutting taxes and spending.
    Oh right, because Liberals went along with that idea when a Conservative was last in charge....wich was over 20 years ago, but that's another argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In the mean time, let's pay for our government...at least when economic times get better.
    Government spending is a proven way to make recessions worse.

    When you support an abundance of government spending on this thread you are necessarily supporting a resection.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You shouldn't be spending what you're spending NOW, is why.
    But we are. And the people voted us "liberals" (i.e. Democrats and Republicans) into power. So why don't you think we should pay for our expenditures?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Oh right, because Liberals went along with that idea when a Conservative was last in charge....wich was over 20 years ago, but that's another argument.
    Are you referring to Reagan? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Reagan was not a cut-taxes-and-cut-spending president. Reagan was a cut-taxes-and-increase-spending president. Just like every other president in recent memory.

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    Government spending is a proven way to make recessions worse.
    What on earth are you talking about? Please back this absurd assertion with economic data.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But we are. And the people voted us "liberals" (i.e. Democrats and Republicans) into power. So why don't you think we should pay for our expenditures?

    Are you referring to Reagan? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Reagan was not a cut-taxes-and-cut-spending president. Reagan was a cut-taxes-and-increase-spending president. Just like every other president in recent memory.

    What on earth are you talking about? Please back this absurd assertion with economic data.

    I've given this some thought and I think you make a valid point: only a small minority of conservatives are tax-less spend-less kinds of folks, and I'm not one of them.

    I support lower taxes because it increases a household’s disposable income and increases tax revenue: more money for the government.

    I also support lots of government spending. No, I don't support a host of new programs or pork projects like saving a brown mouse in SF (Obama’s stimulus). I support spending what is genuinely needed to maintain existing infrastructure, the military, social security, and similar, and then taking everything that's left and paying down our debt.

    That's the nature of what Ragan did. He lowered taxes to increase revenue and then spent the rais he gave the national budget with those tax cuts on needed government expenses.

    For the life of me I don't see President Obama's administration making any attempt to do this. The left (and I think it's fair to speak with an air of partisanship here as the left currently has control of both houses and the Presidency), is reducing their cash flow by increasing taxes and spending more money then they even had originally.

    This, IMO, makes absolutely no sense.

    It's exactly like taking a significant pay cut at work and then going on a shopping spree.

    I support the government having a large income, living as far below it's means as it can without sacrificing needed expenses, and paying off our debt asap.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    I bet you paid a much higher percentage for your FICA tax, especially if you are self-employed.




    You gut the multitudes of things government should never do. Some agencies that need at least a 90% cut include the EPA, DEA, ATF, OSHA, EEOC, IRS, the world's greatest Ponzi scheme (social security) with its projected debt of $50 TRILLION--1000 times Madoff's scandal, Foreign aid and entanglements, and numerous others. If we abided by the Constitution, a 5% rate should be enough. If that rate was written in stone as an absolute maximum, it would be a great way to limit the catastrophic growth of government. Same for state and local governments--with an even lower rate, perhaps 2%.
    Seems the vast majority believe of the folks voting believe 10 to 20% is enough. I don't want to fight what the ideal number is... only to note that accomplishing the goal would require changes along the lines Reagan pursued. Close loopholes, reduce rates, cut spending (this last part the Democrats never lived up to during Regan's reign).

    There is one defender of the current tax code conspicuously missing from this thread.
    A proponent of social engineering and believer the IRS should be expanded.

    Must have been tremendously shaken by the results of the poll.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There is one defender of the current tax code conspicuously missing from this thread.
    A proponent of social engineering and believer the IRS should be expanded.

    Must have been tremendously shaken by the results of the poll.
    Not really. I didn't notice this thread. And I agree with RightInNYC.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057963228-post4.html

    If you want to ignore my reasons for my arguments, that's fine. But you are acting dishonestly in your posting about what I actually said. To refute your dishonesty, the underfunding of the IRS allows around $500 billion in tax evasion to occur every year. If we had a fully funded and staffed IRS, we wouldn't have had deficits in the past decades and the debt growth would have stopped aside from refinancing. You ignore this point to serve your argument. You implicitly argue that I'm for expanding the IRS for dubious reasons despite my statements (3 so far) that I'm for actually funding and staffing them to do the job they exist for. And merely because we have a less complex tax code doesn't make people honest. You seem to think that reducing the IRS and simplifying the tax code will suddenly make people honest. That is ludicrous. Even in the simplest of tax codes, people cheat. What you propose is to make their incentives to cheat even greater.

    And social engineering is what got us out of the last recession. As you ignored before (at least three times so far), Bush's bonus depreciation was massive in getting firms sitting on cash to spend it. It is simply easier for you to pretend what I say doesn't exist then actually respond to it with facts, intelligence and substance. That doesn't make you honest, nor does it make you a half decent debater.

    If and when you ever want to discuss what people actually say instead of cherry picking and refusing to even acknowledge their statements exist, I'm open to discussion. Otherwise, you're just a sniping troll.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    I say 5% for the federal and enact a pay as you go system.The only time the government should spend more than what was put is during a time of war.Tax money should only be spent on the basics like roads,law enforcement,military, prisons, and infrastructure.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say 5% for the federal and enact a pay as you go system.The only time the government should spend more than what was put is during a time of war.Tax money should only be spent on the basics like roads,law enforcement,military, prisons, and infrastructure.
    Simply unrealistic. Your standard of living would be nothing like it is today if America was run in this manner. After the new deal our country's wealth exploded, not because the rich got richer (that happened) but because a middle class was created and drove the economy. Rich people don't drive the economy, they live off of it. So unless you have "family" money putting you in the top income bracket you would probably be a farmer or factory worker making pennies an hour 16 hours a day in an unhealthy and dangerous workplace. But see, you don't realize what life was like in 1820 or 1870 or 1913...

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