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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I disagree. That would be less efficient. The reason that deductions exist is because we as a society have deemed that there are certain uses of income which somehow benefit society, and therefore shouldn't be taxed.

    If spending on charity or medical bills or education is good for society when poor people do it, then it also holds for rich people. On the other hand, if we as a society no longer feel that certain deductions are worthwhile (e.g. mortgage interest), then they should just be eliminated from the tax code entirely...instead of getting an even more complex system where some people can deduct them and others cannot.

    If it was up to me, people would be able to deduct all out-of-pocket medical expenses (including their share of insurance premiums), all out-of-pocket education expenses, and all charitable contributions. Little else would need to be deductible, and it would apply to everyone regardless of income.
    For simplicity sake wouldn't it be better if the government, instead of giving you deductions for those things, just made them free instead? Free health care and free education?

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    For simplicity sake wouldn't it be better if the government, instead of giving you deductions for those things, just made them free instead? Free health care and free education?
    I support public health care and public education. But I see no reason to tax people who want to go above and beyond that. If someone wants to get medical care on their own or send their kids to a private school, I don't think they should be taxed. It's just one more expense that the government would otherwise have to worry about themselves.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    For simplicity sake wouldn't it be better if the government, instead of giving you deductions for those things, just made them free instead? Free health care and free education?
    We have free education.

    Simplicity has nothing to do with it. Free computers would simplify business deductions, but that doesn't mean the government should take over Microsoft and Apple.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    One of our Founders, maybe it was ol' Ben, said something very like: "Any government that would take as much as ten percent of the people's income is a tyrant." Well, we're way past that now.



    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    For simplicity sake wouldn't it be better if the government, instead of giving you deductions for those things, just made them free instead? Free health care and free education?
    There is no such thing as free. Somebody has to pay. If the government offers you freebies, it taxes someone to pay for them... you, if you make a decent income. There are also the hidden costs, things that are passed on as the cost of other products, or a loss of quality from disencentives like price controls.

    Free health care means the gov't pays the doctors, nurses, techs, hospitals and so on, out of taxpayer money. Hideously expensive. Price-fixing is likely, as in Medicare... and when being a doctor (after 8 yrs of expensive schooling, an internship, debt and hardship) falls below a certain level of profitability, the number of doctors will decline, probably along with the quality of care.

    Thirty years ago, when we had something closer to a free market on health care, it was FAR less expensive and I'd even argue the service was better.


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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I support public health care and public education. But I see no reason to tax people who want to go above and beyond that. If someone wants to get medical care on their own or send their kids to a private school, I don't think they should be taxed. It's just one more expense that the government would otherwise have to worry about themselves.
    Why not? If the government offers you health care and you want additional coverage, why should you get an ADDITIONAL credit? You already get a credit by having your basic medical covered.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    For simplicity sake wouldn't it be better if the government, instead of giving you deductions for those things, just made them free instead? Free health care and free education?
    Instead of food stamps, why not free food?
    Instead of mortgage deduction, why not free housing?

    Why don't we just make everything free? It can't possibly fail!
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    My vote is for a 10% flat tax,and no deductions for anyone.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Flat tax, 10% or less if it must be income tax. Everyone pays their fair share and fair share is equal percentage for all. No discrimination. And none of this riding on the backs of others bull****.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    A flat 10% isn't enough. Even if you only payed for things explicitly required in the constitution, like the military and the census and interest payment on the debt, it still wouldn't be enough. Taxes need to reflect spending, and its impossible to cut spending to the levels needed to sustain a 10% tax rate unless you truly gutted the military.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    A flat 10% isn't enough. Even if you only payed for things explicitly required in the constitution, like the military and the census and interest payment on the debt, it still wouldn't be enough. Taxes need to reflect spending, and its impossible to cut spending to the levels needed to sustain a 10% tax rate unless you truly gutted the military.

    I disagree. We spent about 529 billion dollars on military spending alone last year, not even counting the trillion or so we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. We also spent about 300 billion on the war on drugs last year. Dramatic cuts in spending by ending our overseas empire, bringing our troops home, closing costly bases in countries that we don't need to have troops in, and legalizing drugs will allow us to cut the income tax and still raise enough money to cover our expenses (except for interest on the debt, but I'll address that below).

    Why isn't 0% an option? There should be no income tax, it is unconstitutional. If we cut spending, there would be no need for an income tax. An income tax makes the assertion that the government owns your wages, and allows you to keep a percentage of it. If we cut the income tax to 0 right now, we would raise the same amount as we had in our budget in 1997. I wonder if it's possible if we cut out spending for our overseas empire and ended the "War on Drugs", we could easily cut the income tax and give people much more money in their pockets at a time when we desparately need it.

    We also need to end the Federal Reserve system responsible for the interest on the debt and the inflation. Inflation is the hardest tax on the poor and middle class, and is essentially a tax. Of course at a time when the government is firing up the printing press every day for another billion dollars to give bonuses to corrupt CEO's, it is very hard to believe a period of even worse (perhaps even pre WWII Germany hyper) inflation.

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