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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    Scarecrow...

    Firstly, we must ballance how "fair" it is for people to be forced to give money to the poor, and talented poor individuals having less opportunities then dumb rich people. They contridict sometimes, so we need to look at it on a case by case basis.
    We are balanced.

    The Constitution does not permit federal entitlements for the poor, ergo, zero federal tax dollars should go to the poor, ergo, it's "unfair" to steal money from working people to give to those who won't work.

    That's fair.

    The other side of "fairness" is that you, your own little self, are perfectly free to give your own personal money to any charity you choose to give it to, if you want to. Nothing stops you from helping the poor as much as you like but your own selfish desires.


    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    There is something called an "amendment" to the Constitution which would allow for more enumerated powers. Therefore, it goes without saying that we would need those to make public education Constitutional.
    That amendment has not been passed.

    You do know that, don't you?

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    There are many ideas about how a free primary and highschool education system can work. If you want to debate the merits of those programs after an amendment to allow them was passed, then that would be great.
    So you are aware that it's unconstitutional to waste federal tax dollars on public education.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    It isn't productive to just decry all other ideas as Unconstitutional, when that can be changed.
    Sure it is. It points out the hypocrisy and criminality of the left.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    ROTFLMFAO.

    It has been brought to my attention that the Marxists, Socialists, True Obamatrons and others of the Jealousy Brigade have been PMing to boost the high tax rate numbers.

    What took you so long?

    Still a meager representation, but keep PMing... you might get 2 or 3 more high/punitive tax votes.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLMFAO.

    It has been brought to my attention that the Marxists, Socialists, True Obamatrons and others of the Jealousy Brigade have been PMing to boost the high tax rate numbers.
    You mean the imaginary PMs?

    I take it no response to this post eh?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1058020056-post78.html (Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.)

    And what did I predict?

    If and when you ever want to discuss what people actually say instead of cherry picking and refusing to even acknowledge their statements exist, I'm open to discussion. Otherwise, you're just a sniping troll.
    I say it here. It comes out over there.

    High tax rates and an efficient IRS are two independent issues.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. I didn't notice this thread. And I agree with RightInNYC.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057963228-post4.html

    If you want to ignore my reasons for my arguments, that's fine. But you are acting dishonestly in your posting about what I actually said. To refute your dishonesty, the underfunding of the IRS allows around $500 billion in tax evasion to occur every year. If we had a fully funded and staffed IRS, we wouldn't have had deficits in the past decades and the debt growth would have stopped aside from refinancing. You ignore this point to serve your argument. You implicitly argue that I'm for expanding the IRS for dubious reasons despite my statements (3 so far) that I'm for actually funding and staffing them to do the job they exist for. And merely because we have a less complex tax code doesn't make people honest. You seem to think that reducing the IRS and simplifying the tax code will suddenly make people honest. That is ludicrous. Even in the simplest of tax codes, people cheat. What you propose is to make their incentives to cheat even greater.

    And social engineering is what got us out of the last recession. As you ignored before (at least three times so far), Bush's bonus depreciation was massive in getting firms sitting on cash to spend it. It is simply easier for you to pretend what I say doesn't exist then actually respond to it with facts, intelligence and substance. That doesn't make you honest, nor does it make you a half decent debater.

    If and when you ever want to discuss what people actually say instead of cherry picking and refusing to even acknowledge their statements exist, I'm open to discussion. Otherwise, you're just a sniping troll.
    ROTFLOL...

    You folks create a mess and then want more power and money to fix it.
    Fannie, Freddie, IRS, perverted tax code...

    .... just the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

    You want a bigger IRS, you want social engineering... that's you view... OK.
    I'm not being dishonest... I'm merely stating your position.

    And you as I will keep pointing out contradicted yourself MASSIVELY in the initial post about tax code reform.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL...

    You folks create a mess and then want more power and money to fix it.
    Fannie, Freddie, IRS, perverted tax code...

    .... just the tip of the tip of the tip of the iceberg.

    You want a bigger IRS, you want social engineering... that's you view... OK.
    I'm not being dishonest... I'm merely stating your position.
    How?

    How are you merely stating my position?

    And you as I will keep pointing out contradicted yourself MASSIVELY in the initial post about tax code reform.
    Where? I already refuted your alleged contradiction. What language are you using? It ain't standard English.

    And Zimmer again shows why no takes him seriously.

    Anyways, more evidence you aren't here to debate. And thanks for proving you're a sniping troll who has no intention of honestly replying to anyone.
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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Question: Why is it fair to tax person X more than person Y simply because person X has a greater income?

    Assumption: Both person X and Y are above the poverty line.
    Because person X made more money from the labor of everyone else than person Y. Person X cannot make his money without person Y, so in order to make sure that person Y keeps making it possible for person X to make his money, person X pays more.

    You can't get your trucking fleet out of your warehouse without a road and you'd never be profitable making the roads yourself.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's the duty of every man, regardless of his economic station, to get off his dead ass and work to support himself and his family.

    That's it.

    It's not a privilege to work and have your wages and earnings stolen to support the parasitic lumps who won't work. Nor is it a privilege to be robbed to finance programs that aren't allowed by the Constitution.

    A person being mugged on the street is contributing his best to society, but no one feels that it's a privilege. Wrapping it up in a red-tape bow and spraying perfume on it doesn't make it any nicer.
    Are there fewer American citizens (%wise) dieing of starvation and exposure since the new deal or not? Do you care? Was rural electrification good for the country or not? Did all the wealthy people at the time offer to pay for it? Did they or their progeny benefit from it?

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's the duty of every man, regardless of his economic station, to get off his dead ass and work to support himself and his family.

    That's it.

    It's not a privilege to work and have your wages and earnings stolen to support the parasitic lumps who won't work. Nor is it a privilege to be robbed to finance programs that aren't allowed by the Constitution.

    A person being mugged on the street is contributing his best to society, but no one feels that it's a privilege. Wrapping it up in a red-tape bow and spraying perfume on it doesn't make it any nicer.
    Those who have gained the most benefit from society should pay more to maintain that society.

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Why was 0% not an option?!

    If government is a social contract, then when did I sign it? The moment I came out of my mom? Do I have a right to terminate my status in the social contract? Am I a slave by birth?

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    Re: Federal Income Tax. You Pick the Rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    To me the more simple and transparent the tax policy the better. As of the end of 2008 total U.S. government spending at all levels(local, state, federal) is approximately 38% of national income. If the U.S. had one income tax with no deductions that taxed the first $80,000 of income at a 10% rate, and any additional income above that at a 50% rate(a person making a $100,000 would pay 18,000 in taxes), then it would just cover total government spending. Approximately 80% of taxpayers would have a 10% rate. And there would be no sales taxes, tariffs, property taxes, etc.(Warning: figures were done quickly by meathead.)
    I favor a very progressive tax. I think that a flat tax is oppressive. I also believe that if you are living below a certain percentage you shouldn't have to pay an income tax at all ( the percentage is debatable). the reason being is that in a civilized society we should do everything we can to fight for the poorer members of society and benefit them in any way we can. They shouldn't pay taxes. We should be attempting to improve all society. Part of that must be helping the poor and if one of the ways to do that is to not have an income tax upon them, then so be it.

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