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    Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry gunsAfter the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

    Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

    The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

    This looks like completely unnecessary harassment of the pilots. The 12,000 Federal Flight Deck Officers, the pilots who have been approved to carry guns, are reported to have the best behavior of any federal law enforcement agency. There are no cases where any of them has improperly brandished or used a gun. There are just a few cases where officers have improperly used their IDs.

    Fewer than one percent of the officers have any administrative actions brought against them and, we are told, virtually all of those cases “are trumped up.”

    Take a case against one flight officer who had visited the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles within the last few weeks. While there, the pilot noticed that federal law enforcement officers can, with the approval of a superior, obtain a license plate that cannot be traced, a key safety feature for law enforcement personnel. So the pilot asked if, as a member of the federal program, he was eligible. The DMV staffer checked and said “no.” The next day administrative actions were brought against the pilot for “misrepresenting himself.” These are the kinds of cases that President Obama wants to investigate.

    Since Mr. Obama's election, pilots have told us that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes slowed significantly. Last week the problem went from bad to worse. Federal Flight Deck Officers - the pilots who have been approved to carry guns - indicate that the approval process has stalled out.

    Pilots cannot openly speak about the changing policies for fear of retaliation from the Transportation Security Administration. Pilots who act in any way that causes a “loss of confidence” in the armed pilot program risk criminal prosecution as well as their removal from the program. Despite these threats, pilots in the Federal Flight Deck Officers program have raised real concerns in multiple interviews.

    Arming pilots after Sept. 11 was nothing new. Until the early 1960s, American commercial passenger pilots on any flight carrying U.S. mail were required to carry handguns. Indeed, U.S. pilots were still allowed to carry guns until as recently as 1987. There are no records that any of these pilots (either military or commercial) ever causing any significant problems.
    The Democrats want us to return to the fun old days of the 1990's and early 2000's, when islamic terrorists with razor blades could kill thousands of people.

    The lunatics don't care about the people, they're ideologically terrified of the gun.

    So, should pilots have the option of being armed, or not?

    BTW, don't give me any guff about cabin-depressurization. That's an ignorant argument.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Democrats want us to return to the fun old days of the 1990's and early 2000's, when islamic terrorists with razor blades could kill thousands of people.

    The lunatics don't care about the people, they're ideologically terrified of the gun.

    So, should pilots have the option of being armed, or not?

    BTW, don't give me any guff about cabin-depressurization. That's an ignorant argument.
    I vote Yes. armed pilots FTW.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    The Obama kills funding for the training:

    Washington Times - EDITORIAL: Guns on a plane

    Question:

    If someone, who could have been easily stopped by a pilot carrying a 45, takes over a plane and brings down another skyscreaper with it -- does The Obama get the blame?

    (Of course not. It will be Bush's fault)

    I simply do not understand the hatred of guns from the left.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 03-18-09 at 12:46 PM.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    There is no such thing as "terrorism" any more, just "Man-Caused Disasters" just ask the new Homeland security director.


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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    There is no such thing as "terrorism" any more, just "Man-Caused Disasters" just ask the new Homeland security director.
    So the disaster the man in the White House is causing to the US economy is an act of terrorism?

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Perhaps we should remove the security door to the cockpit also, as we all know it perpetuates discrimination against Muslims.

    The guns that they carry are not off the shelf, they and the ammo they use have been tested by the FAA. I hear the ammo is the same as the ammo used by air marshals.
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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The Obama kills funding for the training:

    (Of course not. It will be Bush's fault)

    I simply do not understand the hatred of guns from the left.
    They are against anything that take power out of the hands of government and returns it to the people.

    Guns

    Private accounts for social security

    are just two examples
    George W. Bush is a liberal.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Federal Officials Deny Report That Obama Seeks to End Pilot Gun Program - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

    Fail

    Sterling Payne, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, denied the report and said the program that oversees a reported 12,000 federal flight deck officers (FFDO) is actually expanding.

    "It's inaccurate, this program continues to grow," Payne told FOXNews.com of the editorial. "TSA continues to recruit and put new FFDOs on planes, and we continue to train them and do recurring training."

    Payne said TSA officials have recently opened a training center for FFDOs in Atlantic City, N.J., with others planned to open in Texas and other states. She declined, citing security concerns, to say how many federal flight deck officers are authorized by the agency, citing security concerns.

    "We have thousands of FFDOs right now and we add thousands each year," Payne said.
    Representatives from The Washington Times did not return a request for comment. A White House spokesman declined to speak on the matter, saying it was being handled by TSA officials

    In a statement issued Tuesday, the Airlines Pilots Association International -- the world's largest airline pilot union, representing nearly 52,250 pilots in the U.S. and Canada -- said the Times editorial "couldn't be further from the truth."
    You should probably check stories like this against sources that aren't editorials and mouthpieces for the Moonies.
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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    You should probably check stories like this against sources that aren't editorials and mouthpieces for the Moonies.
    Is there some reason I should rely on the utterances of an establishment spokeshole?

    Here's a position paper by the Airline Pilots Association, ALPA:

    Federal Flight Deck Officer ProgramToday, more than 10,000 FFDOs protect the flight decks of our nation’s airliners and defend more than 100,000 flight segments per month. In spite of the program’s tremendous growth and value, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has relegated it to a “caretaker” status. TSA has supported the increase in FFDO ranks, but has not increased the funds necessary for logistical support and infrastructure. In essence, the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS), which administers the program, is provided only the minimal resources required to sustain it.

    This lack of investment in and commitment to the FFDO program by its parent agency has resulted in significant deficiencies in the following areas:

    ...
    - Dated 2-09.


    hmmmmm...but you said the ALPA said something different....

    ....given that freedom is preserved by being skeptical of government, why should we believe the spokeshole and his trained forked tongued puppies in the ALPA?
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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Passengers aren't allowed to carry guns on the plane...why should the pilots be any different? They're trained to fly a plane, not kill hijackers.

    I don't see why it would be a good idea for ANYONE on a plane to have access to a gun. If someone wanted to hijack a plane, it seems like it would be considerably easier to steal the pilot's gun than to get through security with one.
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