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Thread: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Anti-Gun activisim is un-American.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    I am not. They have a sealed cabin as defense.
    You were saying earlier in this thread that the hijackers could easily enter the cockpit somehow. Make up your mind; your arguments are circular to the point of irrationality.

    Just because I trust trusted my high school busdriver to get me to school without crashing the bus, doesn't mean I'd trust her to perform open heart surgery on me.
    Ludicrous beyond description. You equate operating a handgun with tactical effectiveness with open heart surgery? I can teach someone shoot/no-shoot and functional accuracy in a few sessions. Again, the irrationality of your arguments is astounding.



    On the contrary, I assume no such thing. In fact, that's the entire point. I am only aware of four hijackings in history that had a 100% casualty rate. If some ****head just wants to take the plane to Cuba, why in the world would you want to risk a firefight on the airplane?
    Do you live in the real world? Were you paying attention on 9/11?

    Debating you is like debating someone with multiple personality disorder. You use straw facts to make certain ridiculous points, then later you repudiate your previous straw-fact to make a different ridiculous point.

    I keep coming back to you having hoplophobia, its the simplest explanation of why your arguments are consistently irrational, and irrationally inconsistent.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    After thinking about it a bit more, I concluded I was being a dumbass on this thread.

    I really don't have a problem with pilots having guns, as long as A) they are properly trained, and B) the guns are secured where no one other than the pilots can get them before/during/after the flight.
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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Statistics can be manipulated to come out how you want them. Like I said, cooking the books.

    You think some pro-gun orgs are publishing slanted stats to support their positions...maybe so. It makes a counterweight to the way antigunners slant the stats their way.
    This empirical data isn't derived from the claims of either lobby. Both are idiotic extremists. It isn't, however, mere selective incorporation of raw data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    For example, I have my doubts about the "2.5 million defensive uses per year" figure some espouse, seems high. For contrast, as I posted earlier, there were two government studies that said 60,000 and 90,000 defenses uses (of private firearms) annually, most of the time with no shots fired. Since this exceeds the total number of firearm deaths (half of which are suicides) by a factor of 1.5 or 2, to 1, clearly guns are used for lawful self defense far more often than illegal reasons, even taking these much lower figures as given. The truth probably lies somewhere between, since the vast majority of times that no shots are fired, most people probably don't call the police for fear of persecution.
    Selective incorporation of raw data cannot function as a means of empirical analysis, again. You'd need to isolate the gun effect from other relevant factors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You can it any way you want, though, crime isn't the chief issue. The chief issue is that it's a Constitutionally protected natural right, just like freedom of speech and religion...the Founders were very clear on that.

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    And of course, there's no place in this thread where I claimed this wasn't the case, but extremists have a tendency to set up strawmen to tear down at their leisure.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    I am all for gun ownership, the Second Amendment, reduction of infringements, etc... but I can see no reason to arm pilots if Air Marshals are present.

    Even absent Air Marshals, there are many more situations in which pilots having guns, would be rendered ineffective and/or detrimental.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Aww man I did it again, I read the poll wrong.

    I agree, pilots should have that option. ONLY the pilots and any other designated air marshals or officers.


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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Georgia"][I]I am all for gun ownership, the Second Amendment, reduction of infringements, etc... but I can see no reason to arm pilots if Air Marshals are present.
    How about the pilots know how to land the plane, and the AMs dont?

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Pilots should be armed and well-trained. Passengers should remain unarmed. Also, I believe these would be useful for hostage situations...

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    In the event a hijacker puts a cutting instrument to a hostage's throat the pilot can simply tase either one of them. The electrical current will flow instantaneously through both hostage and hijacker so long as they are in contact with one another (if memory serves). And for anyone who thinks a terrorist can fight through the shock, you're way wrong...

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How about the pilots know how to land the plane, and the AMs dont?
    To me, not a good enough reason.

    Even absent Air Marshals, there are many more situations in which pilots having guns, would be rendered ineffective and/or detrimental.

    In order for a pilot to use a weapon he would have to open the cockpit's fortified door, thereby exposing it to take over. Not a good idea at all.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If someone wanted to hijack a plane, it seems like it would be considerably easier to steal the pilot's gun than to get through security with one.
    Perhaps in your mind's eye , the pilot holding the gun is an idiot pacifist and for some reason would not just put down anyone trying to relieve him of his weapon.

    IT probably is easy to steal a gun, from you.
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