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Thread: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Unlikely.



    An exact repeat of the scenario is even less likely.


    I have a question: Do you think random people should be allowed to carry weapons on the plane (provided they have the training and licenses and whatnot)? If not, what makes a pilot so special? Are pilots law enforcement officers now?



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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And when Gomer Pyle brings his gun on the plane legally and Abdullah is sitting next to him, suddenly Abdullah has access to a gun...even if Abdullah could never get one on the plane himself.



    more hoplophobic rantings..... please. perhaps he can turn the gun into a nuclear bomb with a urinal cake too


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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This conversation departed on a tangent when Scarecrow started arguing for the insanity of everyone on planes being armed to the teeth.



    Obviously hijackers can get into the cockpit with a little effort, or else hijacking wouldn't exist.



    I guess you have missed the last 8 years when we fortified the cockpit. I thought you big city metro types flew all the time?


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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There you go again, assuming gun owners are brainless and inept.

    BTW, thanks for the "hicks" comment. Your demonstration of tolerance and civility is truly inspiring. Of course it is perfectly safe to use pejorative terms aimed at Southerners, Midwesterners or rural folks, whereas if you spoke thus about an ethnic group you'd be branded a bigot. Hm.

    Let's see... "concealed weapon permit". That means the gun is hidden. So the first thing the Tango has to do is use his X-ray vision to find out who has a gun. Then all he has to do is just grab it, since taking guns away from people is so easy.



    Note he is from "ohio", i find it funny to hear people from Ohio call others hicks. just sayin.


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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The guy must be cooking the books. You can prove anything if you make up your own data. Every publication I've seen for a decade says gun ownership is UP, and violent crime is DOWN.

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    And that essentially constitutes nothing more than selective incorporation of raw data. So it would really be more accurate to claim that gun extremists on either side who selectively incorporate raw data are "cooking the books."

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Passengers aren't allowed to carry guns on the plane...why should the pilots be any different? They're trained to fly a plane, not kill hijackers.
    Seems to me you answer your own question here.

    If there's anyone that should possess the deadly force necessary to secure the flight deck, its the guys that know how to land the plane.

    I don't see why it would be a good idea for ANYONE on a plane to have access to a gun.
    See above.
    Also, I presume this means you also oppose armed air marshalls?

    If someone wanted to hijack a plane, it seems like it would be considerably easier to steal the pilot's gun than to get through security with one.
    By the time you steal it, it will be empty...

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have a question: Do you think random people should be allowed to carry weapons on the plane (provided they have the training and licenses and whatnot)? If not, what makes a pilot so special? Are pilots law enforcement officers now?
    Pilots arent random people -- they're the ones trusted with the safety and security of the plane. They also know how to land the plane. Allowing the guys that know how to land the plane the means to secure the fligh deck with deadly force seems pretty natural to me.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Obviously hijackers can get into the cockpit with a little effort, or else hijacking wouldn't exist.
    That may have been the case pre-9/11. Not now.

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That analysis is overly crude, in my opinion. For instance, we can refer to Duggan's More Guns, More Crime to refer to the costs that may be imposed by a mere increase in gun ownership without considering the reality of an unregulated secondary market. As noted by the abstract:
    If more guns = more crime, why then, as the number of gus more than doubled since then, the current level of gun crime, in raw numbers, is comparable to that of the late 60s?

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    Re: Anti-Gun Extremists Seek to End Federal Flight Deck Officers Program

    Well it can be very important to understand the changes that have happened since 9/11. First of all security door that makes it much more difficult to get into the cock pit. Second the attitude of the passenger and flight crew have changed. Before 9/11 the goal of a hijack was not to crash into a building, instead it was about to accomplish political or economical goals, and the passengers and flight crew had a change to survive.

    If a plan is hijack today people will believe that they will die either by crashing into a building or by being shot down. Therefor will it be almost impossible for any terrorist to take over a plan, because people will fight back to the last breath and the terrorist will probably not even get to the reinforced security door.

    So arming pilots will have little effect on security. It can only have a very small negative effect that if the plan is getting hijacked the pilots if armed may open the security door and try to deal with the situation and get overpowered and loose the gun and leave an open door to the cockpit. But this is for many reason very unlikely so in reallity is just a psychology measure to make people feel their are safe.
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