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I can't. This is important.
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BTW, thanks for the "hicks" comment. Your demonstration of tolerance and civility is truly inspiring. Of course it is perfectly safe to use pejorative terms aimed at Southerners, Midwesterners or rural folks, whereas if you spoke thus about an ethnic group you'd be branded a bigot. Hm.
Let's see... "concealed weapon permit". That means the gun is hidden. So the first thing the Tango has to do is use his X-ray vision to find out who has a gun. Then all he has to do is just grab it, since taking guns away from people is so easy.
....is a long time ago....and those cockpits weren't locked and the flight crew didn't have a gun on their side of the locked door.
Amazing how you can't seem to address those basic facts of the current real world the rest of us, but not you, live in.
I'm unsure...my objective is always to find a happy medium between prohibitionists who advocate a total gun ban and extremists who claim that the solution to gun violence is more guns.
People are violent.
The solution to violent people with guns intent to do harm is people with guns willing to do harm to them to stop them.
It's the only way that works.
Unless you have a hand grenade.
I do not recommend using grenades on airplanes in flight. Unlike guns, they may pack enough power to cause explosive decompression.
Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 03-19-09 at 09:46 PM.
1. Depressurization/other functionality mishap.
This has been proven to be effectively mythical, at least from the cause of handgun bullets. If you're worried about it anyway, we can require low-penetration frangible rounds.
2. CCW gone crazy: the permit holder with the gun goes nuts. This is as much of a myth as depressurization due to handgun bullets. As mentioned before, crime statistics show that permit holders have such a low rate of violent crime it is virtually zero. In the unlikely chance that it did happen, an armed flight crew and maybe one or two other armed passengers would deal with it.
Ah, but then again, you said
...so we won't worry about that one.Originally Posted by Kandahar
3. Terrorist/etc grabs CCW's gun. Well as I mentioned earlier, concealed carry means hidden. Properly concealed, you'll sit next to a CCW for hours and never realize he is armed in most cases. Without X-ray vision, determining who is armed, if anyone, is iffy.
Even if you did, taking a gun from an "educated CCW" is not at all like taking candy from a baby. Even if someone managed it, there would be the armed flight crew and perhaps other armed passengers to deal with. This is a non-issue.
4.. Crowded conditions
NOW, here is an intresting one. Yes, the conditions are crowded, and the risk to bystanders considerable.
However, let's consider the circumstances under which a rational armed citizen might use that weapon... terrorists, violent looney with a razor slashing people, hijackers...well, then again it is hard to tell the latter pair from the first one since 911. In short, it would be a desperate situation where everyone's lives were already in danger. Consider Flight 93.
The danger could be largely mitigated with good judgement and/or good marksmanship. I know plenty of CCW holders with both.
Now, come to think of it, crowded conditions applies to a lot of places, like malls, stores, restaurants. Do you oppose CCW in such places? Since we've narrowed the reasons to oppose CCW on a plane down to this one issue, the crowded conditions, let's address that issue as it relates to malls, stores, restaurants, buses, etc.
Last edited by Goshin; 03-19-09 at 09:53 PM. Reason: sp.
More Guns, More Crime to refer to the costs that may be imposed by a mere increase in gun ownership without considering the reality of an unregulated secondary market. As noted by the abstract:
This paper examines the relationship between gun ownership and crime. Previous research has suffered from a lack of reliable data on gun ownership. I exploit a unique data set to reliably estimate annual rates of gun ownership at both the state and the county levels during the past two decades. My findings demonstrate that changes in gun ownership are significantly positively related to changes in the homicide rate, with this relationship driven almost entirely by an impact of gun ownership on murders in which a gun is used. The effect of gun ownership on all other crime categories is much less marked. Recent reductions in the fraction of households owning a gun can explain one‐third of the differential decline in gun homicides relative to nongun homicides since 1993.
Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.