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    Drug Testing

    Is mandatory drug testing as part of entrance to a job, or random drug testing while on the job, a violation of the 4th Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure?

    Explain your answer.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Is mandatory drug testing as part of entrance to a job, or random drug testing while on the job, a violation of the 4th Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure?

    Explain your answer.
    Not if it is done on private property by a non government entity.

    As with that the individual can always refuse and suffer no legal consequences.
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not if it is done on private property by a non government entity.

    As with that the individual can always refuse and suffer no legal consequences.
    They could be fired though from their job for not submitting to a drug test. What then?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not if it is done on private property by a non government entity.

    As with that the individual can always refuse and suffer no legal consequences.
    True, however, they can be assessed consequences by the private institution.
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Since when does the Bill of Rights apply to corporations? It spells out limitations on the government's authority, not anyone else's.

    And as much as I consider the practice reprehensible, it isn't the law that needs to step in here. People need to grow some goddamn balls and start telling the corporations that what they do on their own time is their own business.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    They could be fired though from their job for not submitting to a drug test. What then?
    Well then they may get fired.

    If it is for the safety of the work place for that person to not be intoxicated then so be it.

    I work for a factory and as part of the conditions of employment, I have to submit to a drug test to get hired.

    The particular place that I work at manufacturers items made of rolled mild steel.

    Have you ever seen what a sheet of steel can do when it is being unrolled at high speeds? even just handling it can cause you to loose a finger or worse.

    Intoxicated people working at my company cause a lot of the accidents.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy
    True, however, they can be assessed consequences by the private institution.
    I can ask for a drug screening before anyone can come into my house but that serves no purpose really.

    It has to do with liability and employee safety.
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Since when does the Bill of Rights apply to corporations? It spells out limitations on the government's authority, not anyone else's.

    And as much as I consider the practice reprehensible, it isn't the law that needs to step in here. People need to grow some goddamn balls and start telling the corporations that what they do on their own time is their own business.
    How does an individual challenge a corporation in this manner?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well then they may get fired.

    If it is for the safety of the work place for that person to not be intoxicated then so be it.

    I work for a factory and as part of the conditions of employment, I have to submit to a drug test to get hired.

    The particular place that I work at manufacturers items made of rolled mild steel.

    Have you ever seen what a sheet of steel can do when it is being unrolled at high speeds? even just handling it can cause you to loose a finger or worse.

    Intoxicated people working at my company cause a lot of the accidents.
    All true.



    I can ask for a drug screening before anyone can come into my house but that serves no purpose really.

    It has to do with liability and employee safety.
    I don't want intoxicated people around my kids. It's a safety issue. My house. If you refuse, you don't come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I don't want intoxicated people around my kids. It's a safety issue. My house. If you refuse, you don't come in.
    I don't want them around mine either, I don't entertain those kind of people anyway.

    But generally speaking it would be impractical to drug test everyone that entered my home.
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't want them around mine either, I don't entertain those kind of people anyway.

    But generally speaking it would be impractical to drug test everyone that entered my home.
    I would agree with you, but I can do it if I want. That was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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