View Poll Results: Is drug testing a violation of the 4th Amendment?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'd do it anyhow, the hospital is guilty of fraud even if they do fix it. Who knows how many other people they've done this to.
    Won't it be his word against the nurse's and, if he still looks like a drug user, the judge and/or jury will probably believe the nurse?


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I didn't say it was sane. I simply pointed out that if our policy is 'insane' the very obvious conclusion is that there is some 'sane' policy. I never admitted to knowing what that looks like... which is why I asked for an example of a 'sane' drug policy that is in place, anywhere, that has been demonstrated to be 'sane.'

    I asked you to provide me an example of a 'sane' drug policy. That's a pretty straightforward question. And it's completely consistent with my reasoning that if our policy is 'insane', then there must be a 'sane' policy to compare it to. There's nothing contradictory or obtuse about any of that.

    If you can't find a 'sane' policy, then my next question would be... 'Why not?'

    Can you show me a 'sane' policy?

    I don't know of any "sane" drug policy. That doesn't mean there isn't or can't be one. How about this... the government and other busy-bodies should leave the private lives of adults alone. Sounds pretty sane to me. Amsterdam is fairly close but not quite fully sane.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Won't it be his word against the nurse's and, if he still looks like a drug user, the judge and/or jury will probably believe the nurse?
    Only if it's a rightwing activist judge.

    Something like this would never make it to a jury.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Only if it's a rightwing activist judge.

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    So what makes you think the dude that looks like a drug user will be believed over the nurse unless the judge is a loonie leftie?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I don't know of any "sane" drug policy. That doesn't mean there isn't or can't be one. How about this... the government and other busy-bodies should leave the private lives of adults alone. Sounds pretty sane to me. Amsterdam is fairly close but not quite fully sane.
    The Dutch policy might be more sane. It's certainly more tolerant of soft drugs than most other Euro nations. But it hardly saves their taxpayers any money:

    Netherlands has a high anti-drug related public expenditure, the second highest drug related public expenditure per capita of all countries in EU (after Sweden). 75% is law enforcement expenditures including police, army, law courts, prisons, customs and finance guards. 25% is health and social care expenditures including treatment, harm reduction, health research and educational including prevention and social affairs interventions.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands]Wikipedia[/ame]


    I suppose we might also consider that the Dutch have a less violent society. I don't know whether that's due to their drug policy, their handgun policy, the level of poverty, or some other social or demographic factors.

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