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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Did you miss this part "and asks if everyone has to take a drug test before surgery? She say only people who admit to drug use."
    Nope didn't miss that. What does that have to do with anything. She formed the opinion, for whatever reason, that he might be a drug user and knew there are very serious risks involved if the surgical team is not aware of it. I'm not saying it was fair but in case one has told you, life's not fair.


    Also, where we live there is only one hospital that performs the surgery and only one anesthesiology company. He has already looked into it. Not to mention that since this is in his record now, his insurance rates will probably go up and anyone requesting his medical reacord (another hospital) will most likely want a drug screen due to the error in his record.
    Move. Problem solved. Wasn't that easy.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    His wife said just take the test. He says he will not be forced to give up his right to privacy. I think he made an analogy to, if the nurse says he's a pregnant woman should he be forced to take a pregnancy test? Just because the nurse said it?

    What do you think?

    I think the chances of his being pregnant are small enough that he doesn't need a pregnancy test before his hysterectomy.

    But the chances of him taking drugs are slightly higher and if there are medical reasons he needs to be screened before being anesthetized, then he needs to take the test if he wants the surgery.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Did you miss this part "and asks if everyone has to take a drug test before surgery? She say only people who admit to drug use."

    Also, where we live there is only one hospital that performs the surgery and only one anesthesiology company. He has already looked into it. Not to mention that since this is in his record now, his insurance rates will probably go up and anyone requesting his medical reacord (another hospital) will most likely want a drug screen due to the error in his record.
    This is the part where you sue the hospital and probably the insurance company for everything you can get.
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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Nope didn't miss that. What does that have to do with anything. She formed the opinion, for whatever reason, that he might be a drug user and knew there are very serious risks involved if the surgical team is not aware of it. I'm not saying it was fair but in case one has told you, life's not fair.
    So you don't see an inherent problem with that? If you admit to past drug use then you must take the test whether or not you are a current user, while a drug user who doesn't say anything can go right to surgery. This begs the question of how the hospital justifies the danger? Not to mention that he didn't admit to drug use, the nurse simply decided that he's probably a drug user which by any standard is profiling and discriminatory. So how dangerous is it for a drug user to have surgery without informing the hospital? Obviously not serious enough to warrant a mandatory test for all surgical patients.

    Move. Problem solved. Wasn't that easy.
    That's pretty ridiculous.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I think the chances of his being pregnant are small enough that he doesn't need a pregnancy test before his hysterectomy.

    But the chances of him taking drugs are slightly higher and if there are medical reasons he needs to be screened before being anesthetized, then he needs to take the test if he wants the surgery.
    But the nurse said it so it must be true. I'm afraid his word to the contrary just won't suffice. And if the nurse said he has spinal meningitis he should be required to have a spinal tap to make sure? Because a nurse said so? Ever here any stories of whacked out women who make untrue claims? How about nurses?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    This is the part where you sue the hospital and probably the insurance company for everything you can get.
    He's going to if the hospital won't remove the error from his record.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    No, we need a sane drug policy.
    The assumption is that our drug policy is insane. And when declaring insanity, one must first have an example of 'sanity.' Not just a hypothetical, but an example.

    Can you give me an EXAMPLE of a country in the world that has a 'sane' drug policy? By sane I don't mean perfect, but one you find totally acceptable and would like to use as our mode of 'sanity?'


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The assumption is that our drug policy is insane. And when declaring insanity, one must first have an example of 'sanity.' Not just a hypothetical, but an example.
    So our drug policy is sane in your eyes. What is the most commonly thrown around definition of insanity?

    Can you give me an EXAMPLE of a country in the world that has a 'sane' drug policy? By sane I don't mean perfect, but one you find totally acceptable and would like to use as our mode of 'sanity?'
    So you don't think there is any sane drug policy in the world and yet you deny the insanity of our drug policy. You're either being contrary and obtuse for no apparent reason or you don't realize the contradictory nature of your 2 paragraphs. Which is it?

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    So our drug policy is sane in your eyes. What is the most commonly thrown around definition of insanity?
    I didn't say it was sane. I simply pointed out that if our policy is 'insane' the very obvious conclusion is that there is some 'sane' policy. I never admitted to knowing what that looks like... which is why I asked for an example of a 'sane' drug policy that is in place, anywhere, that has been demonstrated to be 'sane.'

    So you don't think there is any sane drug policy in the world and yet you deny the insanity of our drug policy. You're either being contrary and obtuse for no apparent reason or you don't realize the contradictory nature of your 2 paragraphs. Which is it?
    I asked you to provide me an example of a 'sane' drug policy. That's a pretty straightforward question. And it's completely consistent with my reasoning that if our policy is 'insane', then there must be a 'sane' policy to compare it to. There's nothing contradictory or obtuse about any of that.

    If you can't find a 'sane' policy, then my next question would be... 'Why not?'

    Can you show me a 'sane' policy?


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    He's going to if the hospital won't remove the error from his record.
    I'd do it anyhow, the hospital is guilty of fraud even if they do fix it. Who knows how many other people they've done this to.
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