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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Some people use alcohol to "compensate for something lacking in their life" but others drink alcohol because they like the taste. I don't believe anyone is smoking MJ just because they like sucking smoke into their lungs.
    Some people use marijuana to "compensate for something lacking in their life" but others use marijuana because they like the taste. Dude, have you ever had some tastey sweetleaf?

    I don't believe anyone is drinking alcohol just because they like poisoning their liver.

    If we became aware of someone having a problem with alcohol, we would check it out.
    Check it out how?
    Our people socialize with customers and, if they were getting drunk in those situations, we would absolutely fire them

    BTW, we also do not employ smokers.
    WTF kind of company do you work for, a bible printer in Ahmish country or something? Talk about tyranny...

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    And if people in this country had any self respect they'd tell these employers to **** off and the practice of being an asshole employer would likely come to a halt. But we're a country of sheeple and if the gubment say it be bad it must be...
    Perhaps. Unfortunately it's the sheeple themselves who invite all these invasions. We've become a nation in which many people have little better to do with their time than battle for 'safety' regulations... whether it's anti-drug, anti-drunk driving, anti-smoking, anti-cell-phone-in-the-car... anti this, anti that.

    Blame the sheeple. They ask for all this crap.


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I think the drug laws are stupid. I also think those who use street drugs are either stupid or have a problem.

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    Then why do you support them?

    Marijuana used to be legal, alcohol used to be illegal... legal or illegal is nothing more than a government category for a period of time. The WHY is the issue you should be most concerned with.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I won't try to argue with you whether it's fair or unfair that some drugs are tested for and others are not. That's not the issue for me. Frankly, I don't care.

    I'm strictly pointing out that your characterization of this as 'hypocrisy' is incorrect.

    Your argument is that companies are hypocritical by not applying the same standard to alcohol that they apply to marijuana. That simply isn't a case of hypocrisy. One is legal. The other is not. And even if that distinction didn't exist... the charge of hypocrisy wouldn't fly. If a company instituted a drug testing program for illegal opiates, but not illegal hallucinogens, and stated that as their policy... that would not be hypocritical.

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    Great, now you've made your point on semantics and since you admittedly have nothing of value to add to the subject...

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Great, now you've made your point on semantics and since you admittedly have nothing of value to add to the subject...
    Part of the fun about participation in public message boards is that we can choose which threads to participate in. And we can choose what our role in each thread will be. I would say my point about semantics has been equally as valuable, if not more so, as your point about my point about semantics. In fact... my point about semantics eventually led to a link to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988, an act that probably has more to do with the point of this thread than much of the emotionally charged, hastily crafted, and pointless posts I've seen here so far.


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Part of the fun about participation in public message boards is that we can choose which threads to participate in. And we can choose what our role in each thread will be. I would say my point about semantics has been equally as valuable, if not more so, as your point about my point about semantics. In fact... my point about semantics eventually led to a link to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988, an act that probably has more to do with the point of this thread than much of the emotionally charged, hastily crafted, and pointless posts I've seen here so far.

    I was just funnin ya for being an dictionary nazi. someone in another thread said "for all intensive purposes" and I soooooooo wanted to say, it's "for all intents and purposes"...
    Last edited by Slippery Slope; 04-08-09 at 05:07 PM.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I was just funnin ya for being an dictionary nazi. someone in another thread said "for all intensive purposes" and I soooooooo wanted to say, it's "for all intents and purposes"...
    That's like biting one's tongue when posters confuse the words 'then' and 'than,' or 'who,' 'whom,' and 'that.'

    I get that.

    I would say that understanding the difference between a double-standard, a hypocritical act, a discriminatory act, an inconsistent act, or an arbitrary act are a little more important to note. But that's just me.


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    Re: Drug Testing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Then why do you support them?

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    How am I supporting the drug laws. The US lost the so called drug war years ago. They should call in the dogs, piss on the fire, and go home. (the piss on the fire part should probably be done by one of the men folk)

    I don't care if people use street drugs or any other drugs for that matter and I have no problem with people being stupid. I just don't want to work with them or have them representing our company.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Jerry, I must say I am astounded by how much I agree with you. Kudos.

    Furthermore, I don't understand why drug testing is necessary if employees are functional members of your workforce. If they start to slack off, then they don't get fired for drug use, but for slacking. If they start acting weird towards other employees on the job, then they get fired for that, and not being high.

    I come from a country where routine drug testing does not exist in the corporate community. I agree that this policy would create an atmosphere of authoritarian distrust.

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    Re: Drug Testing

    Jerry, I must say I am astounded by how much I agree with you. Kudos.

    Furthermore, I don't understand why drug testing is necessary if employees are functional members of your workforce. If they start to slack off, then they don't get fired for drug use, but for slacking. If they start acting weird towards other employees on the job, then they get fired for that, and not being high.

    I come from a country where routine drug testing does not exist in the corporate community. I agree that this policy would create an atmosphere of authoritarian distrust. What people do at home is none of my business or anyone else's. If they're performing their jobs and not disrupting the work environment, then I don't care what they do.

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