View Poll Results: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabled

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    32 78.05%
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Thread: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabled

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    From what I've read, that psyche goes back as far as the American Revolution - historically Americans seem to dislike the idea of paying taxes more than most. It seems to form the root of republicanism and so has no real grounds in ideology.

    That doesn't make your answer correct any more than a European or Oceanian nation that decides that nations are judged by how they treat the weakest members of society. You have your traditions - we have ours.

    Your "correct answer" is no more correct than my "correct answer" which is that society has an obligation to ensure that the weakest (genuinely disabled) people are able to contribute to soceity with dignity and with equality.

    You will no doubt attempt to rebutt by saying I am a Liberal or a Democrat or whatever - I am simply "not an American" and there are other opinions and voices in this world.
    I receive the same flack on here for my views on socialized systems, and people don't care that I'm Canadian, nor you European. All they care about is their own status quo... I wish people could try to step outside of their own cultural values for a moment, but in order to do that, they would have to realize that being so adamently against socialized anything is a cultural value. The first hurdle has not yet been accomplished.

    I understood your point and it was well said.

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    -- I wish people could try to step outside of their own cultural values for a moment, but in order to do that, they would have to realize that being so adamently against socialized anything is a cultural value--
    That is sometimes a question of time - but sometimes also of pointing out conflicting stances that some posters will have.

    Take this statement below for example..

    "The ultimate question pertaining to this thread is:

    Should the general population be taxed to provide a living for disabled persons?

    The answer options are:

    Yes.
    No.

    The correct answer is: No."


    Would you believe that same person who does not believe in his/her contributions going to support others who may be disabled would also support his or her taxes paying directly or indirectly for wounded troops of his or her own country?

    And I'll bet you he/she doesn't even see the conflict!

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    That is sometimes a question of time - but sometimes also of pointing out conflicting stances that some posters will have.

    Take this statement below for example..

    "The ultimate question pertaining to this thread is:

    Should the general population be taxed to provide a living for disabled persons?

    The answer options are:

    Yes.
    No.

    The correct answer is: No."


    Would you believe that same person who does not believe in his/her contributions going to support others who may be disabled would also support his or her taxes paying directly or indirectly for wounded troops of his or her own country?

    And I'll bet you he/she doesn't even see the conflict!

    That's because there isn't any conflict.

    The average disabled person didn't ask my permission to become disabled, nor did I award him any contracts promising him medical care if he was injured in the performance of some service for me.

    The soldier wounded on the battlefield is serving my needs and is under contract awarding him medical care for the injuries he receives for his service.

    You can't see the difference.

    Doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist.

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I receive the same flack on here for my views on socialized systems, and people don't care that I'm Canadian, nor you European. All they care about is their own status quo... I wish people could try to step outside of their own cultural values for a moment, but in order to do that, they would have to realize that being so adamently against socialized anything is a cultural value. The first hurdle has not yet been accomplished.

    I understood your point and it was well said.
    Yes. Being opposed to socialism and other forms of slavery is a cultural value.

    The key word being "value".

    Socialism doesn't have any value to a free man.
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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    --The soldier wounded on the battlefield is serving my needs and is under contract awarding him medical care for the injuries he receives for his service --
    And who pays for the wounded miltary man's medical care?

    The martians?

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    And who pays for the wounded miltary man's medical care?

    The martians?

    Yeah, like I said, you refused to see the difference.

    The difference isn't in the "who pays", the difference is in the "what did they do to earn the obligation".

    Your generic civillian cripple didn't perform any service for the general welfare and therefore has not earned any benefits to be paid by the general population.

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The difference isn't in the "who pays", the difference is in the "what did they do to earn the obligation".
    Do you want me to quote your own words a few posts ago on this thread again?

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Do you want me to quote your own words a few posts ago on this thread again?
    Do you want me to name any of a number of other things you can do for me while you're busy not responding to my post?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 03-19-09 at 09:13 PM.

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    I responded, I'm waiting till you understand the hypocrisy in your position.

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    Re: Should junkies be considered disabled and afforded the same rights as real disabl

    As someone who has both a junkie in his immediate family as well as a truly disabled person, I vote "no".

    What the junkie deals with is nowhere near on par with what a truly disabled person deals with.


    P.S. Scarecrow, the disabled person in my family has most likely paid far more in taxes in his lifetime than most of the whiners who bitch about their typically meager tax dollars going towards helping the disabled. His life savings were completely wiped out because of astronomical medical costs associated with being in the hospital for 9 months after his accident. While he had insurance, but they have caps, and the money disappears very, very fast when you are in the ICU.

    But when you've paid out over 100K per year in taxes over a 15-20 year span a measly 20K per year in assistance over the same time span ain't really "unfair".

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