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Thread: To buy or not to buy...

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    That is misleading.

    killed with a gun - does not say the child was the shooter.

    If you can find stats where the child was the shooter it would be more useful.

    On average in the United States in 2006, someone died in a fire about every 162 minutes, and someone was injured every 32 minutes (Karter 2007).

    So thats 8.8 deaths per day. Sounds like we should ban fire.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The irony in my family is that my sister is the anti-gun loon and she's always refused to use a gun, even though she was the most responsible of the three of us. My old man tried taking her out with us shooting to teach her about guns and she was totally against it.

    As far as mental stability goes, we're all a little nuts. I'd probably be the most mentally stable of my siblings, which is not saying much for the other two at all.
    This is true. I was taught gun safety in the same manner as you. We were fortunate. What if we had drunken hillbillies for parents. I have one in my family who has four boys. He thinks a gun is an extention of his penis and likes to show them off when he's drunk. They are not locked up. Thank God that the boys have a responsible mother.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're sidestepping.

    Show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.
    Quit strawmanning me. Seriously.

    I never said you don't lock up your gun. I never said that your daughter will have an accident.

    Take a creative writing course if that will help. Don't misrepresent me here.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Quit strawmanning me.
    YOU made the statement. I'm taking you task for it. Don't like it? Tough.

    Remember that the topic here is specifically about me and the gun I might buy for my daughter. Your statement references me, specifically, as did the "that's sick' statement you responded to.

    Show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    That is misleading.

    killed with a gun - does not say the child was the shooter.

    If you can find stats where the child was the shooter it would be more useful.

    On average in the United States in 2006, someone died in a fire about every 162 minutes, and someone was injured every 32 minutes (Karter 2007).

    So thats 8.8 deaths per day. Sounds like we should ban fire.
    I'm not for banning the AR-15.

    I don't know how many. What is your threshold?

    Deputy's child accidentally shoots himself in face : News : KRCG

    4 year-old child accidentally shot by his father | Yahoo! News | Local Breaking News and Weather from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family

    2-Year-Old Boy Shoots Mother, Father Charged - wcco.com

    There are many stories out there like these. Like a year ago there was a thread here about the 2 year old shooting and killing his father who was a police officer after he had taken his belt off and laid it on the table.

    This one is really old, but interesting.

    1914: Child accidentally shot by playmate | AspenTimes.com
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    YOU made the statement. I'm taking you task for it. Don't like it? Tough.

    Remember that the topic here is specifically about me and the gun I might buy for my daughter. Your statement references me, specifically, as did the "that's sick' statement you responded to.

    Show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.
    You are strawmanning me. You are misrepresenting my words. Quote my statements that you accuse me of making.

    Threads drift. Sorry if I wasn't focused on you. Buy her the gun.

    I don't think they should sell real guns painted like toys.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You are strawmanning me. You are misrepresenting my words. Quote my statements that you accuse me of making.
    I did. Several times. In the context that they were made.

    Threads drift. Sorry if I wasn't focused on you.
    The thread didn't drift that far. -You- weren't paying attention.

    But, I accept your apology for your error.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm not for banning the AR-15.
    I don't know how many. What is your threshold?
    Statistical significance.

    There's no way to reduce accidents related to items in the modern world to 0;the only way to minimize accidents is to educate people to the dangers and give them the knowledge necessary to deal with those dangers.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    I don't think anyone here would agree that gun use while intoxicated is a good idea.
    Hell, it's the only way some people are capable of working up the nerve.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm not for banning the AR-15.

    I don't know how many. What is your threshold?

    Deputy's child accidentally shoots himself in face : News : KRCG

    4 year-old child accidentally shot by his father | Yahoo! News | Local Breaking News and Weather from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family

    2-Year-Old Boy Shoots Mother, Father Charged - wcco.com

    There are many stories out there like these. Like a year ago there was a thread here about the 2 year old shooting and killing his father who was a police officer after he had taken his belt off and laid it on the table.

    This one is really old, but interesting.

    1914: Child accidentally shot by playmate | AspenTimes.com
    if you could pull statistics ts for children deaths with linkin logs i am sure you could find a few.

    How about power outlets, how many children have stuck objects into them and have died ... we can't ban power from houses if you have children.

    just because a child could hurt him self, does not make owning a gun unsafe. Like i said earlier lots of things in a home could be considered unsafe.

    Without a firearm in the home, you have no protection from criminal elements. The police are a reaction force, not a protection force.
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