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Thread: To buy or not to buy...

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I don't think he is saying that at all. I think what he is saying is your speculative scenario is extremley rare and rather uncommon.


    How many childeren die from accidental shooting?
    How many more children would die from accidental shooting if all guns were painted like toys?

    I don't have any studies to cite that children are more inclined to play with a gun painted like a toy over one that looks like an actual firearm.

    I think it's a dangerous thing to paint them that way. I know enough drunken hillbillies that don't practice gun safety. I see no need to add insult to injury so to speak. People may disagree with me.

    That's okay too.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I would like for IT to answer this.


    perhaps he can see how irrational he is being.
    I'm not irrational. I support responsible gun ownership.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, I do lock up the poisonous chemicals in my house, and I don't even have kids.



    I agree you teach a kid gun safety, but you should also lock up the guns. Leaving them with easy access to deadly tools is not really a smart thing to do.
    Not all kids are the same. I was shooting guns since I was 8. My sister hasn't. My father never let her shoot because she is mentally unstable and irresponsible. Not all kids are responsible enough to teach gun safety to. And there is definitely not a one size fits all age to start them at.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    I don't think anyone here would agree that gun use while intoxicated is a good idea.
    George W. Bush is a liberal.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, I am saying that you don't have any concrete, rational, supportable reasoning, and you know it.

    Recall your statement, that the idea of buying the rifle in question for the daughter in question "is sick", because....



    Please, provide some concrete, rational, supportable, reasoned argument that this WILL happen.
    I never said that it was sick. You should upgrade your memory.

    Accidents with children happen.

    The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [1] :

    * In 1999, 3,385 kids ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
    * This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
    * The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
    o 214 unintentional
    o 1,078 suicides
    o 1,990 homicides
    o 83 for which the intent could not be determined
    o 20 due to legal intervention
    * Of the total firearms-related deaths:
    o 73 were of children under five years old
    o 416 were children 5-14 years old
    o 2,896 were 15-19 years old
    Your Child | Safety: Guns and Kids

    Now you can minimize the deaths and injuries. How many would you draw the line at?
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I never said that it was sick. You should upgrade your memory.
    YOU did not.

    You did, however, defend the statement by stating that the gun WILL not be locked up and there WILL be an acciddent.

    Because someone will not lock up their gun properly and a kid is going to have an accident with it as it looks like a toy.
    Now, show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    I don't think anyone here would agree that gun use while intoxicated is a good idea.
    That's here, at DP. We aren't a bunch of drunken hillbillies.
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Not all kids are the same. I was shooting guns since I was 8. My sister hasn't. My father never let her shoot because she is mentally unstable and irresponsible. Not all kids are responsible enough to teach gun safety to. And there is definitely not a one size fits all age to start them at.
    The irony in my family is that my sister is the anti-gun loon and she's always refused to use a gun, even though she was the most responsible of the three of us. My old man tried taking her out with us shooting to teach her about guns and she was totally against it.

    As far as mental stability goes, we're all a little nuts. I'd probably be the most mentally stable of my siblings, which is not saying much for the other two at all.

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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    YOU did not.

    You did, however, defend the statement by stating that the gun WILL not be locked up and there WILL be an acciddent.



    Now, show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.
    Well, there are people that don't lock up their guns. Come to Central Illinois. Accidents do happen. I've shown you evidence. Or was 1999 an anomoly?
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    Re: To buy or not to buy...

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Well, there are people that don't lock up their guns. Come to Central Illinois. Accidents do happen. I've shown you evidence. Or was 1999 an anomoly?
    You're sidestepping.

    Show that I will not lock up my gun and that my daughter will have an accident, or retract your statement to that effect.

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