View Poll Results: Which of these is true about former president Bush?

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  • Went AWOL while in the national guard.

    13 29.55%
  • Stole the elections from Gore

    15 34.09%
  • Stole the elections from Kerry

    6 13.64%
  • Lied to get us into Iraq

    24 54.55%
  • Lied to get us into Afghanistan

    7 15.91%
  • Masterminded 9-11 or had something to do with 9-11

    2 4.55%
  • Is an idiot

    22 50.00%
  • Is a dictator

    5 11.36%
  • Is a war criminal

    12 27.27%
  • None of the above is true

    16 36.36%
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Thread: Which of these is true about Bush?

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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    An idiot would indicate that Bush was unintelligent. I doubt that anyone, save Warren Harding, could become President if they were unintelligent. Bush does not fit this bill. Easily mislead? Perhaps, but not an idiot.
    You are using idiot as an absolute across the board description. You could be incredibly book smart and be an idiot with dating, driving, or behaving like one in social interactions.

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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    An idiot would indicate that Bush was unintelligent. I doubt that anyone, save Warren Harding, could become President if they were unintelligent. Bush does not fit this bill. Easily mislead? Perhaps, but not an idiot.
    One can be reasonably intelligent in terms of brainpower, but still be an idiot. Bush never asked questions of his advisers, and was too stubborn to change policies until after catastrophes occurred. The one story that stunned me most of all (c. 2002-2003) was that when Colin Powell wanted the president to do something, he actually tried to talk to the president before Cheney and Rumsfeld could because he felt that whoever talked to the president first would be the one whose policy got enacted. If true, that's a truly horrifying prospect.

    So yes, Bush has an MBA and was governor and yadayadayada. That doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. He's ran every enterprise he's ever led into the ground.
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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    I'm just not terming the word "idiot" in the same way as you folks are. I believe that Bush was mislead by some of his advisers and was naive in believing what he was told. But, to me, these things are not enough to classify him as an idiot.
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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    I'd say about 80% of that list is true.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm just not terming the word "idiot" in the same way as you folks are. I believe that Bush was mislead by some of his advisers and was naive in believing what he was told. But, to me, these things are not enough to classify him as an idiot.
    As for him being an 'idot'... I honestly have difficulty with that one... he's one of the following for sure :
    a) A dim-wit that couldn't speak without large print cue-cards or rehearsed script.
    b) An evil mastermind that was running an 8 year act designed to end confidence in the political system and to allow his successor who comes across as a smarter gentler 'confidence-man'.

    "misled" by his advisors??? I doubt it... I'm sure Bush knew that he was a puppet and had no real 'will' of his own to do anything other than precisely what he did...

    As for connected to 9-11... whether or not he had direct ties to the events of 9-11, he WITHOUT A DOUBT knew that this was going to happen, how things would be handled, and the agenda that he was going to push once 'the event' took place.

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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    None are true. Generally, those that believe any of these things are liberal hyperpartisan hacks.
    Pfffffft. What do you think about this one?

    "We worked to make sure that Saddam Hussein heard the message of the world. And when he chose to deny the inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him. And we did. And the world is safer for it."

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    So, was Bush misled (about something he himself did here), or did he lie? Perhaps it was pathological. the fact remains, he said such inaccurate things in the interest of building support for, or defending, the invasion of Iraq. And if he couldn't get the basic facts together himself, when all of the information was there at his fingertips, then he was an idiot. he was spoonfed these inaccuracies, or he willfully mislead. or both. but in this case, was he honestly forgetful? I have a hard time believing it. Bush kicked the inspectors out of Iraq, himself, pre-invasion. Not Saddam.

    your blanket ad hom is a non-argument. all of this has nothing to do with me, what I believe, or my leanings.
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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Pfffffft. What do you think about this one?



    So, was Bush misled (about something he himself did here), or did he lie? Perhaps it was pathological. the fact remains, he said such inaccurate things in the interest of building support for, or defending, the invasion of Iraq. And if he couldn't get the basic facts together himself, when all of the information was there at his fingertips, then he was an idiot. he was spoonfed these inaccuracies, or he willfully mislead. or both. but in this case, was he honestly forgetful? I have a hard time believing it. Bush kicked the inspectors out of Iraq, himself, pre-invasion. Not Saddam.

    your blanket ad hom is a non-argument. all of this has nothing to do with me, what I believe, or my leanings.
    Bush was mislead. As far as I know, he, himself did not go to Iraq and kick out Saddam. Nor did he, himself, gather the information that led him to make the decision he did. He responded to information he was given.

    I stand by my statement. Bush was not an idiot. He was misled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which of these is true about Bush?

    Went AWOL while in the national guard.
    Stole the elections from Gore
    Stole the elections from Kerry
    Lied to get us into Iraq(even though everyone democrats included before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDS,Saddam has a history of using WMDs, and led everyone to believe he had WMDs).
    Lied to get us into Afghanistan
    Masterminded or had something to do with 9-11(even though some people claim he is an idiot)
    Is a idiot(even though he went to yale,was an office in the military,was governor of Texas and was elected president twice)
    Is a dictator
    IS a war criminal
    None of the above is true



    I say none of the above is true. Its all just childish petty **** of sore losers who are upset their candidate didn't win so they resorted to anything they can to try to discredit the president.

    I say that none of the above are whole-truths. Somethings, as the 2000 election are questionable, as the Supreme Court stopped recounts and awarded Bush the Presidency, robbing the country of a true democratic election. As to his idiocy, I think President Bush was a geniunely nice guy who trusted shady people (Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney) and being a weak leader in the sense of making his own decisions, was led down a bad path. However, I do believe that he had the best interests of the country at heart, even as I hated most of his policies and objectives.

    His only sound decisions were to fire Rumsfeld, minimize Cheney in the second term, and enact the surge in Iraq. The surge was needed at the very beginning and came too late in my opinion to have lasting impact, but once again he relied on the new small and quick strike method of military that Rumsfeld designed.

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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    None are true. Generally, those that believe any of these things are liberal hyperpartisan hacks.
    A solid majority of Americans believe that Bush intentionally mislead the nation to get us into Iraq, and I would venture to guess that a solid majority of American believe that Bush was one of the least intelligent presidents we have had. So I don't think that those two would just be in the realm of liberal hacks, that is unless most Americans are liberal hacks.
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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    I voted "Is an idiot" and "None of the above is true" because I myself, am an idiot.

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    Re: Which of these is true about Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A solid majority of Americans believe that Bush intentionally mislead the nation to get us into Iraq...
    Even if that is true...
    Fallacy: Appeak to popularity
    It doesn't matter how many people thinks 1+1=3 -- it doesn't,

    and I would venture to guess that a solid majority of American believe that Bush was one of the least intelligent presidents we have had...
    ... because the asolid majority of Americans have first-hand knowedge of the Presidents before FDR.


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