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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Another day, another inaccurate reference to socialism...
    Yeah, but why did you bother to quote me?

    I'm never inaccurate when condemning socialism.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Talk View Post
    So a high school dropout or graduate whose paying income taxes knows **** but a undergraduate student or someone who takes a couple years off to earn an advanced degree doesn't?
    We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?

    Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.

    If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics. I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The idea that lawyers can magically eliminate your taxes and that all the rich take advantage of it is largely a myth. Trust me, there's only so much that can be done, short of actually breaking the law by hiding income. Even then, the majority of the savings comes from the way the income is categorized, not from lowering the actual AGI.
    There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
    If you are in the 35% bracket, and spend $100 dollars on a tax deductible item you don't need, you save $35, but the $65 is still gone.
    Better to pay the $35 in taxes and save the $65 for when business is slow.

    I watched a relative (by marriage) run his business into the ground with that attitude. He spent money on software he didn't need, a new computer every year, and any other new gadget that came on the market. He had to have a new vehicle on hand to "look successful". He deducted everything to save on taxes, but spent so much money that he went under the minute that business slowed down for him.
    He filed bankruptcy after using credit cards to meet payroll of his small staff, neglected to pay taxes and fica on his employees, etc. The credit card companies took the big hit....about $300K....
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    You know, it hurts me when people say things like this. The media never portrays kids well, and we're no worse - maybe better, bertainly better-informed - than our parents were at our age. We're also much more enviro-minded and supportive of equality, the first generation that grew up with general acceptance of homosexuals, for example. If anyone's going to fix the problems you guys (not to generalize; your generation) made, it will be us.
    When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.

    I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.

    The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.

    MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.

    So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
    If you are in the 35% bracket, and spend $100 dollars on a tax deductible item you don't need, you save $35, but the $65 is still gone.
    Better to pay the $35 in taxes and save the $65 for when business is slow.

    I watched a relative (by marriage) run his business into the ground with that attitude. He spent money on software he didn't need, a new computer every year, and any other new gadget that came on the market. He had to have a new vehicle on hand to "look successful". He deducted everything to save on taxes, but spent so much money that he went under the minute that business slowed down for him.
    He filed bankruptcy after using credit cards to meet payroll of his small staff, neglected to pay taxes and fica on his employees, etc. The credit card companies took the big hit....about $300K....
    This may be true, but I would wager that the vast majority of "rich" people in this country don't derive the majority of their income from businesses where they control expenditures.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
    It's their money. Why shouldn't they take a risk that a venture might lose money and try to win, rather than simply peeing it down the open sewer of collecitivist theiving taxation?

    It's not the government's money, they shouldn't be able to make first claims to it.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?
    I don't see how you can declare either of those degrees useless, sociology and political science majors end up working in diverse fields such as buisness, education and law.
    Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.
    ****, your right. Firefighters, teachers, doctors and nurses at state hospitals clearly don't have any useful skills.

    If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics.
    Then people with jobs should focus on their careers instead of voting. I mean its damn near impossible to have interests beyond school or work.

    I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?
    Oh , I get it. You want to disenfranchise certain groups because they didn't vote the same as you do. Democracy isn't supposed to be about only your interests.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.

    I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.

    The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.

    MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.

    So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.
    I have to disagree. While I'm not blaming you personally I think it is your generation that has perpetuated this madness that currently exists.

    They have made no efforts to stop it and have encouraged it to grow.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote. Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away. You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler. If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority. Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?

    Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.

    If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics. I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?
    I see now. It isn't really about whether a person is paying income tax at all. It is about disenfranchising as many people who disagree with Scarecrow Akhbar as possible.

    The difference between you and an open window is that the open window is slightly more difficult to see through.



    Oh noes!!! Guess we'll have to find someone else to write Akhbar's posts.

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