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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    We tried making the voting age 21 and it did not work. It was not fair to the people who were being drafted in a war they had no say in. Hence the Twenty-Sixth Amendment. Should a draft be limited to people who pay income tax?

    As far as limiting voting to income taxpayers, what about all the other issues that effect everyone? For example, what about war? That issue affects every citizen, wether they are an income taxpayer or not, they should be allowed to voice their opinion on it by way of voting.

    Also, what about all the other taxes? Income tax is not the only one. There is sales tax, production tax, import tax, capital gains tax, estate tax, death tax, etc. Everyone in this country pays tax one way or another so we all have a right to vote in order to voice our ideas on those taxes.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    If people have a vote they are less inclined to violently overthrow the government out of helplessness.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    We tried making the voting age 21 and it did not work. It was not fair to the people who were being drafted in a war they had no say in. Hence the Twenty-Sixth Amendment. Should a draft be limited to people who pay income tax?

    As far as limiting voting to income taxpayers, what about all the other issues that effect everyone? For example, what about war? That issue affects every citizen, wether they are an income taxpayer or not, they should be allowed to voice their opinion on it by way of voting.

    Also, what about all the other taxes? Income tax is not the only one. There is sales tax, production tax, import tax, capital gains tax, estate tax, death tax, etc. Everyone in this country pays tax one way or another so we all have a right to vote in order to voice our ideas on those taxes.
    Exactly. I know I would be willing to take up arms to stop those who do not pay taxes from becoming an unrepresented herd of cattle for those who decided to limit the voice of others based on some specific criteria that they fit into knowing others do not. That's not an America I am willing to tolerate.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly. I know I would be willing to take up arms to stop those who do not pay taxes from becoming an unrepresented herd of cattle for those who decided to limit the voice of others based on some specific criteria that they fit into knowing others do not. That's not an America I am willing to tolerate.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly. I know I would be willing to take up arms to stop those who do not pay taxes from becoming an unrepresented herd of cattle for those who decided to limit the voice of others based on some specific criteria that they fit into knowing others do not. That's not an America I am willing to tolerate.
    Well until you said this, I was going to say lets compromise and have their votes count as 2/3rds. But you make a compelling case.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    Currently 40% of Americans pay no income tax, should these financial failures be permited to influence the country?
    Uhh why do you equate "financial failure" with not paying income tax? Maybe some people don't CARE about earning $600K per year. Are you trying the Gordon Gekko persona just to troll?

    And of course they should be allowed to vote. Americans who don't pay taxes are affected by many government policies.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by bilbus View Post
    Currently 40% of Americans pay no income tax, should these financial failures be permited to influence the country?

    Also should people on government assistence be permited to vote?

    I understand the "right" to vote can not be removed ... but what if?
    Where do you get the 40% figure from?

    Republicans constantly make the argument that the people in the top income brackets shouldn't pay more than everyone else. They say that a progressive tax system is socialism. Of course they ignore (no matter how many times it's explained to them) that bob billionaire couldn't make one dime from his business without use of the public commons. Ralph roadbuilder busted his ass to put in the road that led up to Bobs business so that Bob could get his trucks out and make his billions. So, since Bob got rich by using the commons, shouldn't Bob feel compelled to pay a larger percentage of the maintenance of the commons? He should but he generally doesn't so the government makes him.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    I have strong confidence in today's generation of high school and college students. Their reasoning capacities are as good as those of any previous generation. If they graduate with a sufficient degree of historical knowledge and understanding of economics (not ideological variants), they will make decisions that are no less sound than those of any preceding generation.
    I disagree. I know too many high school and college students. The majority of them are vapid and self-centered, but this is simply a microcosm of a larger societal malady; it's not really their fault. I blame the generation that raised them, or failed to raise them.

    We are a nation consumed by escapism and materialism; obsessed with pain-avoidance and self-gratification. The ideas of liberty and self-sacrifice are either forgotten or misunderstood, replaced by safety and entitlement. If the current trend in America continues we will either fall into chaos or tyranny.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I disagree. I know too many high school and college students. The majority of them are vapid and self-centered, but this is simply a microcosm of a larger societal malady; it's not really their fault. I blame the generation that raised them, or failed to raise them.

    We are a nation consumed by escapism and materialism; obsessed with pain-avoidance and self-gratification. The ideas of liberty and self-sacrifice are either forgotten or misunderstood, replaced by safety and entitlement. If the current trend in America continues we will either fall into chaos or tyranny.
    Being 19, I hate associating with most individuals my age. They fit your description flawlessly. Therefore, most of my close friends are in the mid-to-late twenties. Then again, I have chosen to surround myself with like-minded people.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly. I know I would be willing to take up arms to stop those who do not pay taxes from becoming an unrepresented herd of cattle for those who decided to limit the voice of others based on some specific criteria that they fit into knowing others do not. That's not an America I am willing to tolerate.
    The herd of cattle has continuously voted themselves largess from the treasury.

    Why doesn't anyone take up arms against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal
    I disagree. I know too many high school and college students. The majority of them are vapid and self-centered, but this is simply a microcosm of a larger societal malady; it's not really their fault. I blame the generation that raised them, or failed to raise them.

    We are a nation consumed by escapism and materialism; obsessed with pain-avoidance and self-gratification. The ideas of liberty and self-sacrifice are either forgotten or misunderstood, replaced by safety and entitlement. If the current trend in America continues we will either fall into chaos or tyranny.
    I second that.

    This is the face of the new generation. Its worse than baby boomers.
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