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Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax


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Why should people who contribute nothing, be permited to vote .. they will only vote for somone who will keep giving them free stuff.

Think of it like high school .. the one that got voted class presedent was the one who promised to do the most stuff for the most people.

good point, I propose that, in order to vote, everyone must serve full time at least 2 years in public service, plus 6 years part time, and 12 years "on call" as needed.
Those who don't measure up physically or mentally can serve in less demanding functions under supervision.
Benefit for doing this would be subsidized health care for life, up to 100% depending on how much "full time" plus "part time" you do, based on a point system similar to serving in the military reserves.
Paying taxes is not the way to determine eligibility, paying dues is....
 
Sure, if you cheat on your taxes you should be barred from office.



Typical wealth envy, When the top 5% of achievers pay 60% of the taxes .. sounds to me like they are paying plenty.

What percent taxes should the richiest 1% pay? 30%? 50%? More?

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1%
$388,806
39.89

Top 5%
$153,542
60.14

Top 10%
$108,904
70.79

Top 25%
$64,702
86.27

Top 50%
$31,987
97.01

Bottom 50%
<$31,987
2.99

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

The flaw here is that you are using AGI, not total income, to make your point.
The more you make, the more you are able to afford lawyers to figure out tax dodges that lower your taxable income....
 
No, I don't agree with that in the least, but I can see where it causes major problems. When the poor who pay no taxes are able to vote on massive boondoggles and entitlement programs for themselves because they know it's a complete freebie, that's a bit unfair. It would be interesting to see some sort of separation between purely political issues, which anyone can vote on, and fiscal issues, which requires a tax-paying status, but I really can't fathom how such a thing would work.
 
The flaw here is that you are using AGI, not total income, to make your point.
The more you make, the more you are able to afford lawyers to figure out tax dodges that lower your taxable income....

The idea that lawyers can magically eliminate your taxes and that all the rich take advantage of it is largely a myth. Trust me, there's only so much that can be done, short of actually breaking the law by hiding income. Even then, the majority of the savings comes from the way the income is categorized, not from lowering the actual AGI.
 
So a high school dropout or graduate whose paying income taxes knows **** but a undergraduate student or someone who takes a couple years off to earn an advanced degree doesn't?

We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?

Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.

If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics. I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?
 
The idea that lawyers can magically eliminate your taxes and that all the rich take advantage of it is largely a myth. Trust me, there's only so much that can be done, short of actually breaking the law by hiding income. Even then, the majority of the savings comes from the way the income is categorized, not from lowering the actual AGI.

There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
If you are in the 35% bracket, and spend $100 dollars on a tax deductible item you don't need, you save $35, but the $65 is still gone.
Better to pay the $35 in taxes and save the $65 for when business is slow.

I watched a relative (by marriage) run his business into the ground with that attitude. He spent money on software he didn't need, a new computer every year, and any other new gadget that came on the market. He had to have a new vehicle on hand to "look successful". He deducted everything to save on taxes, but spent so much money that he went under the minute that business slowed down for him.
He filed bankruptcy after using credit cards to meet payroll of his small staff, neglected to pay taxes and fica on his employees, etc. The credit card companies took the big hit....about $300K....
 
You know, it hurts me when people say things like this. The media never portrays kids well, and we're no worse - maybe better, bertainly better-informed - than our parents were at our age. We're also much more enviro-minded and supportive of equality, the first generation that grew up with general acceptance of homosexuals, for example. If anyone's going to fix the problems you guys (not to generalize; your generation) made, it will be us.

When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.

I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.

The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.

MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.

So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.
 
There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.
If you are in the 35% bracket, and spend $100 dollars on a tax deductible item you don't need, you save $35, but the $65 is still gone.
Better to pay the $35 in taxes and save the $65 for when business is slow.

I watched a relative (by marriage) run his business into the ground with that attitude. He spent money on software he didn't need, a new computer every year, and any other new gadget that came on the market. He had to have a new vehicle on hand to "look successful". He deducted everything to save on taxes, but spent so much money that he went under the minute that business slowed down for him.
He filed bankruptcy after using credit cards to meet payroll of his small staff, neglected to pay taxes and fica on his employees, etc. The credit card companies took the big hit....about $300K....

This may be true, but I would wager that the vast majority of "rich" people in this country don't derive the majority of their income from businesses where they control expenditures.
 
There is a mindset among many businessmen that they would rather lose money than pay taxes.

It's their money. Why shouldn't they take a risk that a venture might lose money and try to win, rather than simply peeing it down the open sewer of collecitivist theiving taxation?

It's not the government's money, they shouldn't be able to make first claims to it.
 
We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?

I don't see how you can declare either of those degrees useless, sociology and political science majors end up working in diverse fields such as buisness, education and law.
Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.

****, your right. Firefighters, teachers, doctors and nurses at state hospitals clearly don't have any useful skills.

If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics.

Then people with jobs should focus on their careers instead of voting. I mean its damn near impossible to have interests beyond school or work.

I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?

Oh , I get it. You want to disenfranchise certain groups because they didn't vote the same as you do. Democracy isn't supposed to be about only your interests.
 
When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.

I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.

The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.

MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.

So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.

I have to disagree. While I'm not blaming you personally I think it is your generation that has perpetuated this madness that currently exists.

They have made no efforts to stop it and have encouraged it to grow.
 
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Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote. Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away. You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler. If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority. Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.
 
We talking someone earning a useless degree in sociology or political science, or an engineer or some other useful skill?

Clearly the person with a job has a useful skill...unless he's working for the government, in which case he shouldn't be allowed to vote unless he's in the military.

If someone chooses to forego income and take the time to earn a higher degree, they should spend their time studying, not playing politics. I mean, did you see all those stupid college kids that supported Obama? What the heck are they doing in school if they're that ignorant?

I see now. It isn't really about whether a person is paying income tax at all. It is about disenfranchising as many people who disagree with Scarecrow Akhbar as possible.

The difference between you and an open window is that the open window is slightly more difficult to see through.

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Oh noes!!! Guess we'll have to find someone else to write Akhbar's posts.
 
Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote. Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away. You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler. If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority. Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.

It doesn't make one authoritarian to say that some shouldn't vote.

No reference to Hitler is necessary since democracy brought Hitler his power.

The United States is not a democracy, it is supposed to be a republic precisely because everyone voting is moronic.

If the idiots are the majority, do you support them voting us into failure?

After all it's democracy. :roll:
 
I see now. It isn't really about whether a person is paying income tax at all. It is about disenfranchising as many people who disagree with Scarecrow Akhbar as possible.

Works for me.

The majority of voters in the country are clearly greedy little immature irresponsible fools, why shouldn't we discover meaningful and practical methods of keeping them away from the dive control station of the submarine?

The difference between you and an open window is that the open window is slightly more difficult to see through.

See? You DO understand!

So why do you continue to support Obama again?
 
Democracy works because every adult is inherently given the right to vote.

Democracy doesn't work, that's why the United States is a Constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Only by being convicted of criminal actions can it be taken away.

What about advanced Alzheimer's patients? I support jailing people who register them to vote.

What about people who've never done anything in their whole lives except pop out babies and sign welfare checks? Why should they be allowed to vote?

You want to change that, you might well put on lederhosen and start blowing hitler.

Nope, no way am I becoming a Democrat.

If we barred idiots from voting, it wouldn't be democracy because we would going against the majority.

In the United States if the majority votes to make it illegal to protest Obama's destruction of the nation, would that be constitutional?

No.

Of course not.

The Constitution doesn't permit direct national referendums.

Disagreeing with someone is cause to argue against them using our nifty free speech laws, not persecute them using the government.

Study President Wilson some time.
 
She does not contribute to society, she contributes to her family, its not the same.

You are obviously not a parent.

See the difference between a child raised by a mother or father who is able to stay home and properly care for, and discipline their children as compared to a child that is raised in a dual-working home.

If our children are all ****heads where does our society end up?
 
I think the best way to deal with these posts is to show their foolish hyperbole by posting some of my own

When I was twenty I was knowledgable enough that I wouldn't have fallen for that "Global Warming" scam. Since most of the little kiddies suck it up like milk, I'd have to say that you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you like to claim.

And when I was 20 I was knowledgeable enough that I wouldn't fall for that "trickle down economics" scam. Since most of those old folks suck it up like milk, I'd say you people aren't as aware of what's in the real world as you'd like to claim.

I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Democrat. Most of your generation can't say that.
And I've NEVER been stupid enough to vote for a Republican. Most of your generation cannot say that.

The problems MY generation caused? No. The socialism destroying this country got it's biggest pushes by our grandparents in the Depression and into the Sixties.
Yeah, the problems your generation caused. Idiotic, outrageous deficits.

MY generation mostly embraced capitalism. As everyone knows, capitalism is the only possible philosophy a free society can have.
Your generation mostly embraced greed; and we are now paying for it with economic collapse.

So, since your generation is foolish enough to reject freedom and embrace socialism, your generation is going to lead the charge over the cliff your great grandparents led you to and which my generation tried to back away from.
Since your generation is foolish enough to reject democracy, preferring to enlist in oligarchy, it is fortunate that my generation is rescuing us from the cliff you have attempted to throw us off of.

And my usual disclaimer. This post was made just to exemplify the foolish hyperbole, misrepresentation and extremism of the poster quoted.
 
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I understand what you are saying.

Why should everyone be able to vote when most don't understand the concepts of which our government was founded on?

They only hurt the freedoms and liberty we are supposed to enjoy from their complete ignorance and stupidity.

Mentally disabled people can register to vote. They can vote just because they think one candidate is "nicer" than the other. No one needs to justify why they vote the way they do, everyone is entitled, EVERYONE.

In the past some countries who were reluctant to embrace democracy tried elections where voting was upper class men only, which meant about 20% of society was determining the fate of the rest. This meant that upper class policy got all the representation because the leaders chosen were the ones catering to them only.

It is not democracy unless everyone is represented. This includes prisoners, the disabled, people with no income, women, etc. There are no exceptions.

Only letting those with income vote will create unbalanced policy at the top. It also precludes the fact that you don't need an income to contribute to society.
 
Currently 40% of Americans pay no income tax, should these financial failures be permited to influence the country?

Also should people on government assistence be permited to vote?

I understand the "right" to vote can not be removed ... but what if?
Only law abiding citizens who are not incarcerated should be allowed to vote. If you can prove the above then nothing should stop you from voting. One shouldn't need to make certain wages or be in a certain income bracket to vote. Citizens regardless of income tax bracket status still pay sales taxes, vehicle registrations,hunting permits, state taxes and many other taxes.

IF it is true that only 40% of Americans pay federal income taxes then it is pretty ****ty, but at the same time the 60% who do pay federal income taxes have no one to blame but themselves when they continue to elect those who would swindle them. It always amused me how these people can continue to elect people like this when they know they are going to be forced to pay for some idiotic liberal program that since they make too make do not qualify to use.
 
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Prisoners should have the right to vote, otherwise they get no representation in government and their rights can be curtailed. Turning prisons into cesspools of violence and torment is not making any attempt at rehabilitation for the 1% of the population that are behind bars.
 
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