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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post

    I don't know, that makes sense when considering how women vote in regards to themselves, but a lot vote policies and systems into place for the benefit of those less fortunate, and never really expect to take advantage of them personally. and you are right, it's men too.


    Not me. I don't vote for a welfare state.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

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    I think menstruating women should stay home.
    You're sick! LMAO!!!

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    The US had this once, as did most of Europe. Only white men over a certain age and of a certain standard (wealth) were allowed to vote... do you want to go back to those days?
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US had this once, as did most of Europe. Only white men over a certain age and of a certain standard (wealth) were allowed to vote... do you want to go back to those days?
    If I'm not mistaken, I think they had to be land owners. Since there's no such thing as private property anymore, the subject is moot!

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US had this once, as did most of Europe. Only white men over a certain age and of a certain standard (wealth) were allowed to vote... do you want to go back to those days?
    Stop trying to convince me I'm already ok with it. j/k
    I think it would be better to restrict it based on objectivity.

    If you look at the numbers you will see that once universal voting privileges were established government grew exponentially.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Stop trying to convince me I'm already ok with it. j/k
    I think it would be better to restrict it based on objectivity.

    If you look at the numbers you will see that once universal voting privileges were established government grew exponentially.
    Yea because instead of catering for the few rich privileged, it actually had to cater to every citizen, regardless of economic standing, race, sex or age.

    The right to vote should not be limited or restricted by law based on race, religion, economic standing or in fact age (with the exception of the legal age of course.. cant have 3 year olds voting..). I simply can not believe that people would even contemplate such a thing after the hundreds of thousands of American's that fought wars to defend democracy, and now they are willing to throw those principles out the door... scary as hell.

    The OP question is just another tired example on how people, especially on the right in the US, want to limit the "opposition" in voting, so to precipitate a political victory at the polls at a some point. I would wager, that the people that would be hit by such a law, would more likely vote Democrat than Republican.

    Many of these "voter limiting" proposals are just that, a partisan attempt to limit the opposition (political) turnout on election day and are no different than the sorry attempts of white racist southern states in demanding extreme "proof" of black American's mental capacity before giving them the right to vote.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea because instead of catering for the few rich privileged, it actually had to cater to every citizen, regardless of economic standing, race, sex or age.
    Voting being withheld based on race, sex or age is not ok in my opinion because it is arbitrary.

    Economic standing on the other hand may or may not be ok with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The right to vote should not be limited or restricted by law based on race, religion, economic standing or in fact age (with the exception of the legal age of course.. cant have 3 year olds voting..). I simply can not believe that people would even contemplate such a thing after the hundreds of thousands of American's that fought wars to defend democracy, and now they are willing to throw those principles out the door... scary as hell.
    That wasn't one of the principals our nation was founded on.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The OP question is just another tired example on how people, especially on the right in the US, want to limit the "opposition" in voting, so to precipitate a political victory at the polls at a some point. I would wager, that the people that would be hit by such a law, would more likely vote Democrat than Republican.
    Your right it would most likely limit democrat voters more than republicans.

    I'm not happy with the quality of voters we have. They make their voting choices based on complete foolishness.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Many of these "voter limiting" proposals are just that, a partisan attempt to limit the opposition (political) turnout on election day and are no different than the sorry attempts of white racist southern states in demanding extreme "proof" of black American's mental capacity before giving them the right to vote.
    I never understood why it was bad to limit voting because someone can't read.
    I mean if you can't read and your an adult how the hell are you supposed to understand what government is supposed to do.

    Government is not about what you want it to do but what it is supposed to do.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Voting being withheld based on race, sex or age is not ok in my opinion because it is arbitrary.

    Economic standing on the other hand may or may not be ok with me.
    Okay lets put it this way. Is it the 40% or whatever number of people who dont pay taxes, fault that the US tax system is hopeless and allows so many people not to pay even a symbolic tax? Does that also mean that the multi billionaire that avoids paying taxes also cant vote? And what if the state has sales tax? What then? If the requirement is "has to pay taxes" then he or she is!. Or do you want the rule to be based on yearly earnings? Everyone under say 20k a year cant vote? That would cut out most young people in college, and effectively raise the voting age to what.. 22+?

    Fact is, discrimination based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, age or economic standard, is just that.. discrimination.

    That wasn't one of the principals our nation was founded on.
    No, those principles included slavery, the buying and selling of women and child labour. But you as a nation has evolved away from that like most 21st century societies. Using the "principles of our nation at its founding" argument is not not only brain dead but hopeless and highly subjective since that would mean you support slavery, support not giving women the vote and so on.

    I'm not happy with the quality of voters we have. They make their voting choices based on complete foolishness.
    Welcome to democracy. Yes voters vote for strange things, they elected GWB twice for god sake. That is why having a free as possible media is important in the democratic process, because that is where a majority of people get their information and form their opinions from. So if anything, if you want better informed voters who dont do "stupid things", free your media from the corporate and partisan shackles that have been formed over the last decade plus.

    I never understood why it was bad to limit voting because someone can't read.
    I mean if you can't read and your an adult how the hell are you supposed to understand what government is supposed to do.

    Government is not about what you want it to do but what it is supposed to do.
    Again we are back to the elitist pre mid to late 20th century ideal of society. It was wrong then, and still is wrong. The argument to deny the black population and women the vote, was that they did not have the intellectual capacity to understand the political process. The argument to deny poor people the vote was again, because they were too dumb because they were poor. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. It is nothing but a power grab by a minority...

    As for the way the south prevented the black population in some areas from registering to vote and voting. Sure many blacks could not read, but that was because they were denied the same educational choices as the white population or at best the same quality education. But even if the black person could read, the standard the voting board set for said black person to get the right to vote was far far far higher than a similar white person. Where a white person was required to spell the word Cat or Dog, the black person had to spell emancipation or other very long and semi complicated words (relatively speaking of course). And that was the problem with having such a requirement in a time where racism was ripe and flourishing in certain areas of society.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Okay lets put it this way. Is it the 40% or whatever number of people who dont pay taxes, fault that the US tax system is hopeless and allows so many people not to pay even a symbolic tax? Does that also mean that the multi billionaire that avoids paying taxes also cant vote? And what if the state has sales tax? What then? If the requirement is "has to pay taxes" then he or she is!. Or do you want the rule to be based on yearly earnings? Everyone under say 20k a year cant vote? That would cut out most young people in college, and effectively raise the voting age to what.. 22+?
    I'm not sure if I would be in favor just based on economics alone.

    But someone who contributes nothing and only takes from the state coffers has an unethical advantage in voting.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fact is, discrimination based on race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, age or economic standard, is just that.. discrimination.
    Not all discrimination is bad. Again I'm not in favor of doing it based on arbitrary reasons but on a persons ability to evaluate candidates and policies based on a rational and objective manner.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, those principles included slavery, the buying and selling of women and child labour. But you as a nation has evolved away from that like most 21st century societies. Using the "principles of our nation at its founding" argument is not not only brain dead but hopeless and highly subjective since that would mean you support slavery, support not giving women the vote and so on.
    They were not founding principals.

    That is just a blatant emotional red herring.

    They founded our country on individual liberty.

    Yes I support slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Welcome to democracy. Yes voters vote for strange things, they elected GWB twice for god sake. That is why having a free as possible media is important in the democratic process, because that is where a majority of people get their information and form their opinions from. So if anything, if you want better informed voters who dont do "stupid things", free your media from the corporate and partisan shackles that have been formed over the last decade plus.
    These ill informed voters do things that have negative effects on your and my life, I'm not ok with excusing that based on emotional grounds of everybody needs a voice.

    Not everyone knows what is or is not good for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again we are back to the elitist pre mid to late 20th century ideal of society. It was wrong then, and still is wrong. The argument to deny the black population and women the vote, was that they did not have the intellectual capacity to understand the political process. The argument to deny poor people the vote was again, because they were too dumb because they were poor. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. It is nothing but a power grab by a minority...
    Address now, if you do not know how to read, how can you possibly make an informed decision on who should lead a country?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for the way the south prevented the black population in some areas from registering to vote and voting. Sure many blacks could not read, but that was because they were denied the same educational choices as the white population or at best the same quality education. But even if the black person could read, the standard the voting board set for said black person to get the right to vote was far far far higher than a similar white person. Where a white person was required to spell the word Cat or Dog, the black person had to spell emancipation or other very long and semi complicated words (relatively speaking of course). And that was the problem with having such a requirement in a time where racism was ripe and flourishing in certain areas of society.
    You know who else repressed people based on arbitrary reasons?

    The whole FREAKING world! My gosh will the bashing of the south ever end.

    This is about having people make educated decisions based on objective facts and not on "he's cuter", "he talks good", or "he's the one in my party".
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes I support slavery.
    this will be taken out of context when you run for office.

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