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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I will concede that there have been times when I've wished women couldn't vote. aside from the issue of objectivity I think they can be way too compassionate for their own good, to the point that it gets very pricey. while I know there are women like me and invayne out there who aren't afflicted with this "compassion" phenomenon, I would personally be willing to take one for the team, or rather, throw the game--but if I'm going to give up my suffrage I want to see a lot of men far stupider than me lose theirs too. I suggest an IQ requirement.
    I don't think intelligent people should have to take one for the team.
    It's not just in my opinion.

    Compassion in women is an evolutionary trait, I wouldn't really call it compassion though. It's really more risk aversion and perpetual stability.

    If your interested you should check out Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it details how generally people move up the ladder to self actualization.

    Men can be just as irrational. Example I have a guy a work I'm friends with and as much as I hate discussing politics with friends he and I started talking about the election.

    He said that he would rather have Hillary because Bill controlled the economy better than bush has.

    I wanted to face palm so bad.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The Constitution states that an individual's right to vote shall not be obstructed.

    Sounds like a fundamental right to me.
    If it were a fundimental right then you would have the right to vote for President.

    But you don't, so it's not.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If it were a fundimental right then you would have the right to vote for President.

    But you don't, so it's not.
    Voting is a fundamental right whenever an election is held in your region. Once an election occurs, the right to vote cannot be infringed for arbitrary reasons.

    The state can decide not to hold a popular election for President, but once it is offered, infringement cannot occur except for under certain circumstances. Such as felony convictions, which can also limit the fundamental right to bear arms.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think intelligent people should have to take one for the team.
    then you can't restrict voting rights by gender or marital status because that would be the inevitable result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not just in my opinion.

    Compassion in women is an evolutionary trait, I wouldn't really call it compassion though. It's really more risk aversion and perpetual stability.
    I don't know, that makes sense when considering how women vote in regards to themselves, but a lot vote policies and systems into place for the benefit of those less fortunate, and never really expect to take advantage of them personally. and you are right, it's men too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If your interested you should check out Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it details how generally people move up the ladder to self actualization.

    Men can be just as irrational. Example I have a guy a work I'm friends with and as much as I hate discussing politics with friends he and I started talking about the election.

    He said that he would rather have Hillary because Bill controlled the economy better than bush has.

    I wanted to face palm so bad.
    perhaps an IQ requirement wouldn't nail the desired demographic. there would have to be a personality kind of test showing whether a person was more inclined towards analytical or creative thought patterns. I fear it is far too elusive a problem, and we'll just have to put up with it.
    Last edited by emdash; 03-13-09 at 02:23 PM.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The Constitution states that an individual's right to vote shall not be obstructed.
    It does? Where?

    Sounds like a fundamental right to me.
    So then you'd also argue that the right to arms is a fundamental right as well - yes?

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    then you can't restrict voting rights by gender or marital status because that would be the inevitable result.
    I don't agree with restricting it just based on gender or marital status.

    I was just saying that there is empirical data that shows how people view government responsibilities differently nad how in my opinion they are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I don't know, that makes sense when considering how women vote in regards to themselves, but a lot vote policies and systems into place for the benefit of those less fortunate, and never really expect to take advantage of them personally. and you are right, it's men too.
    What it really boils down to is that people should vote based on logical conclusions and not on emotional rhetoric.

    If that was the required test to meet the standard to vote, invariably more women would most likely be left out of voting.

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    perhaps an IQ requirement wouldn't nail the desired demographic. there would have to be a personality kind of test showing whether a person was more inclined towards analytical or creative thought patterns. I fear it is far too elusive a problem, and we'll just have to put up with it.
    A personality test would be a great start.

    The ancient Greeks had a good handle on the problem and understood it well.

    The stoic philosophy should be used in evaluating candidates and laws but that is asking way to much of most people who don't care.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't agree with restricting it just based on gender or marital status.

    I was just saying that there is empirical data that shows how people view government responsibilities differently nad how in my opinion they are wrong.
    I don't agree with jerry that anyone who wants bigger gov't shouldn't be voting, although I think they're wrong. banning people from the polls because they don't agree with jerry might be good for the country in the short run, but what about when jerry gets old and alzheimer's/dementia come into play?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    What it really boils down to is that people should vote based on logical conclusions and not on emotional rhetoric.

    If that was the required test to meet the standard to vote, invariably more women would most likely be left out of voting.

    A personality test would be a great start.

    The ancient Greeks had a good handle on the problem and understood it well.

    The stoic philosophy should be used in evaluating candidates and laws but that is asking way to much of most people who don't care.

    Stoicism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I totally agree with that entire section. (plus when I was in school in the midwest they told me I was too stoic to drink pop, I had to drink soda. they never got my jokes either. it is comforting to think that imposed stoicism would keep them from voting while I would run free.)

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    so you don't care so much if voters are intelligent or informed, just if they agree with you. gotcha.
    It's exactly this sort of feminine emotional lunacy which the American public needs to be protected against by requiring women to be married to vote.

    A woman with reasonable financial security is generally of a sound mined.

    A woman who is at financial risk or danger is generally over stressed and typically makes critical decisions on emotional impulse without thinking things through objectively.

    This is why so many cultures throughout history have the men run the businesses.

    It makes perfect sense and is completely consistent that women and de-maculated men would typically cry sexism here, as sich a declaration is not based on empirical fact but emotional impulse.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-13-09 at 02:57 PM.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    I think menstruating women should stay home.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's exactly this sort of feminine emotional lunacy which the American public needs to be protected against by requiring women to be married to vote.

    A woman with reasonable financial security is generally of a sound mined.

    A woman who is at financial risk or danger is generally over stressed and typically makes critical decisions on emotional impulse without thinking things through objectively.

    This is why so many cultures throughout history have the men run the businesses.

    It makes perfect sense and is completely consistent that women and de-maculated men would typically cry sexism here, as sic a declaration is not based on imperial fact but emotional impulse.
    I didn't cry sexism. I cried...egocentrism?

    regardless of sex, you only want smallest-government-possible proponents to vote because you think (or know) that small government is ideal. all of your criteria are centered around this.

    it's cute that you would automatically assume I'm crying sexism because I'm female. I think you instinctively cry "feminine emotional lunacy" to the point that it's not completely rational.

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