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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Prisoners should have the right to vote, otherwise they get no representation in government and their rights can be curtailed.
    They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.

    Turning prisons into cesspools of violence and torment is not making any attempt at rehabilitation for the 1% of the population that are behind bars.
    Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.
    I think it depends on the State, actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.
    Don't know who that is.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I think it depends on the State, actually.
    Really,what state allows inmates to vote?



    Don't know who that is.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Mentally disabled people can register to vote. They can vote just because they think one candidate is "nicer" than the other. No one needs to justify why they vote the way they do, everyone is entitled, EVERYONE.
    That is exactly why they shouldn't vote.

    All the things in life that mentality ill people are not allowed to do but some how its fine they make stupid decisions regarding other peoples lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In the past some countries who were reluctant to embrace democracy tried elections where voting was upper class men only, which meant about 20% of society was determining the fate of the rest. This meant that upper class policy got all the representation because the leaders chosen were the ones catering to them only.
    To be honest with you it was working some what better with limited voting.

    Consider this paper. It shows that after women retained universal suffrage in the U.S. that government spending sky rocketed.

    Please ignore the people who are posting it, they are stupid.
    The paper however is a valid empirical analysis.

    http://www.christianparty.net/lottonsuffrage.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It is not democracy unless everyone is represented. This includes prisoners, the disabled, people with no income, women, etc. There are no exceptions.
    It is not supposed to be democracy. The failure of democracy has already been shown in ancient Rome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Only letting those with income vote will create unbalanced policy at the top. It also precludes the fact that you don't need an income to contribute to society.
    Be realistic.

    If you are not earning anything how are you contributing?

    Voting for stupid does not contribute.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Let me put on my phishing hat here.....

    In order to vote you should have to meet all of the following:
    • Be a US citizen.
    • Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.
    • Possess on your person at the time of voting a valid US ID.
    • Have no due Child support.
    • If male you must be over the age of 18.
    • If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.
    • Not on any government assistances including but not limited to:
    • Food Stamps.
    • TANIF.
    • Section8.
    • Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    • Have received bailouts on a home mortgage, 9/11 funding, or on any government health insurance plan, or similar, within the last 7 fiscal years. .
    • Veteran's benefits and Social Security are exempt from this section.
  6. Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).
  7. Must have a valid CCW (all states must be "shall issue" states in other legislation).
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They are behind bars,loss of rights is part of their punishment.


    Turning inmates into a group of voters so politicians can toss their salad for votes is not the answer. Hire Joe Arpaio to run the prisons,that will make them not a cesspool of violence.
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    NO James because that would eliminate all the people voting who worked all their lifes and payed taxes all their life.
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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant Stinger1 View Post
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    NO James because that would eliminate all the people voting who worked all their lifes and payed taxes all their life.
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    Perfect example of why this might be a good idea.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.
    So you don't think lebsians, single women and polyandrous women should be able to vote? Thats a really odd choice. It seems weird to discriminate against lesbians but still allow gay men. Also you'd need to be at least 20 to have 2 years of military service. Also, the double standard is a little ridiculous.

    Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    So having higher education disqualifies you to vote? That seems a little strange.

    Must have a valid CCW
    It would be a little odd to watch a blind guy or a guy with parkinsons apply for a ccw permit. Second, you would probably get shot by a crazy guy who is fervent about open carry.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So you don't think lebsians, single women and polyandrous women should be able to vote?
    That is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Thats a really odd choice. It seems weird to discriminate against lesbians but still allow gay men.
    Women who are not married to a man typically grow the government as a replacement for a husband.

    Men, in contrast, single or married, do not try to use the government as a replacement for a wife.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Also you'd need to be at least 20 to have 2 years of military service.
    Unless you drive buy an IED shortly after arriving in Iraq and suffer an injury which gets you a medical discharge.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Also, the double standard is a little ridiculous.
    What double standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So having higher education disqualifies you to vote? That seems a little strange.
    No.

    Relying on the government to pay for your education disqualifies you to vote for the same economical reason a woman must be married to a man.

    If you have your hand in the treshury then we don't want you to have any ability to vote yourself a rais.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    It would be a little odd to watch a blind guy or a guy with parkinsons apply for a ccw permit. Second, you would probably get shot by a crazy guy who is fervent about open carry.
    I didn't say they had to own a firearm. You have to have a CCW to carry a baton concealed, you know. Tazers and knifes larger than 3in also. I have no issue with either of these people carrying weapons if they can demonstrate to a licensed instructor that they can properly use them.

    I'm sure there's room for appropriate medical exceptions to this rule, however.

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    Re: Should voting be limited to Americans who pay Income tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Let me put on my phishing hat here.....

    In order to vote you should have to meet all of the following:
    • Be a US citizen.
    • Served at least a 2-year tem of service in the US armed forces or civil equivalent with an honorable or medical discharge.
    • Possess on your person at the time of voting a valid US ID.
    • Have no due Child support.
    • If male you must be over the age of 18.
    • If female you must be married to one man and over the age of 18.
    • Not on any government assistances including but not limited to:
    • Food Stamps.
    • TANIF.
    • Section8.
    • Have received a Stanford Loan or Pell Grant within the last fiscal year.
    • Have received bailouts on a home mortgage, 9/11 funding, or on any government health insurance plan, or similar, within the last 7 fiscal years. .
    • Veteran's benefits and Social Security are exempt from this section.
  • Must not be on unemployment unless disabled (proof required).
  • Must have a valid CCW (all states must be "shall issue" states in other legislation).
  • note to self: join the military, get married, get a ccw, stop being a total loser.
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