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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    YOur education can be informal as well as formal.

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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Any linguists in the group who can give us a better understanding of Aristotle's original usage?
    I can't find the quote in context. if I could see the original greek I could maybe add some insight (a lot of their words are just compound words so it's easy to pick them apart) but all I can tell from google is that there's actually some debate as to whether aristotle actually ever said it.

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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Goobieman, are you going to respond to my response to your response to my comment?

    I would honestly like to continue our discussion.


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    I voted yes and I think that's pretty much true. I find myself being subjected to a lot of idiotic ideas at work and have to think through them in order to tell people why their idea won't work realistically.
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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    This is not necessarily true. A person who has the ability to entertain thoughts without accepting them is therefore educated enough to do so.
    THAT is not necessarily true. You dont need to have any degree of edusation at all to be able to do that. What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught.

    My main point is that if someone is able entertain a thought without accepting it, it means that the person is knowledgeable.
    Again, not at all true. Knowledge isnt the key; open-mindedness is, and there's no necessary relationship between the two.

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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    THAT is not necessarily true. You dont need to have any degree of edusation at all to be able to do that. What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught.
    Education can be defined in many ways. I'm not talking about degrees of education. I'm talking about a more general and much broader definition.

    If someone is not open minded, they have not learned enough or do not know enough about the world to entertain thoughts. They cling only to what they have been told is right.

    If someone is open minded, it is because of something. Something has caused this person to be open minded. We are not open minded by nature. As humans we learn about the world first and then make judgments about it and thus become open minded after seeing things. We cannot make these judgments just out of the blue, that is not possible.

    Knowledge isnt the key; open-mindedness is, and there's no necessary relationship between the two.
    There is a link between the two. What I am trying to tell you is that open mindedness can be considered a "mark of education." However, I feel it is important to define education first, but it has many different definitions.

    As you said, "What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught." You are right about the fact that open mindedness doesn't need to be taught, but it must be learned. There is no other way to be open minded than to learn about things. No one is born with the idea "hey I was just born, I must be open minded," we learn in order to become open minded. In fact we learn about being open minded just to become open minded. So it all comes back to learning.

    Going back to what I said earlier, I see the word educated in this situation as broad as "experienced or knowledgeable." You think educated can only mean "being taught by someone," but what I am saying is that educated can mean "a person learning about things themselves, without help from others." Every human must learn in order to progress.

    Now, I know what you might be thinking, you might be thinking "but everyone must learn things about the world after birth, is that not open mindedness?" Yes, that is right in a sense, because I think the first thing we learn in our entire lives is "how to be open minded." Thus, it all starts with "education."

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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Education can be defined in many ways. I'm not talking about degrees of education. I'm talking about a more general and much broader definition.

    If someone is not open minded, they have not learned enough or do not know enough about the world to entertain thoughts. They cling only to what they have been told is right.If someone is open minded, it is because of something. Something has caused this person to be open minded. We are not open minded by nature. As humans we learn about the world first and then make judgments about it and thus become open minded after seeing things. We cannot make these judgments just out of the blue, that is not possible.



    There is a link between the two. What I am trying to tell you is that open mindedness can be considered a "mark of education." However, I feel it is important to define education first, but it has many different definitions.

    As you said, "What you DO need is true open-mindedness, which doesn't need to be taught." You are right about the fact that open mindedness doesn't need to be taught, but it must be learned. There is no other way to be open minded than to learn about things. No one is born with the idea "hey I was just born, I must be open minded," we learn in order to become open minded. In fact we learn about being open minded just to become open minded. So it all comes back to learning.

    Going back to what I said earlier, I see the word educated in this situation as broad as "experienced or knowledgeable." You think educated can only mean "being taught by someone," but what I am saying is that educated can mean "a person learning about things themselves, without help from others." Every human must learn in order to progress.

    Now, I know what you might be thinking, you might be thinking "but everyone must learn things about the world after birth, is that not open mindedness?" Yes, that is right in a sense, because I think the first thing we learn in our entire lives is "how to be open minded." Thus, it all starts with "education."



    Yes, I said you were right about commenting on my sig. And your comment influenced me to change it. My sig was actually a joke, but you made me realize that people still take it seriously. So I changed it.
    Your writing skills alone make me think that you don't understand education or intellect.
    The issue, again, is not knowledge which comes from education, but the intellect to do something with it. Lots of people leave college after 4 years with the same prejudices that they entered with. They went in as bigots and came out as educated bigots.
    Ignorance is simply lack of education, stupidity is knowing you are ignorant and not wanting to do something about it...
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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    I'd rephrase the statement and replace "educated" with "rational". Education only shows you've been presented with information, it doesn't mean you actually learned anything or put it into practice. There are lots of "educated" people who are some of the most irrational, illogical people around.
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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Your writing skills alone make me think that you don't understand education or intellect.
    The issue, again, is not knowledge which comes from education, but the intellect to do something with it. Lots of people leave college after 4 years with the same prejudices that they entered with. They went in as bigots and came out as educated bigots.
    Ignorance is simply lack of education, stupidity is knowing you are ignorant and not wanting to do something about it...
    A true intellect makes the best use of knowledge....
    Ok, first of all, whoa. Why use ad hominem on me? I did nothing to you.

    Second, why not criticize my arguments rather than my grammar?

    Again, as I said, I do not misunderstand "education," I just said that it can be defined in many different ways when it comes to Aristotle's quote. In accordance with this quote, I defined educated as "knowledgeable," NOT a college degree.

    If you wish to respond with argument against my points above, please do so, but if you want to attack me, send me a personal message, please don't place it on the thread here.
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    Re: Do you agree with this quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    A friend suggested I was a conservative but I was unaware of it. I voted for Algore then began looking at the opposition to gwb and felt he didn't deserve the criticism. As time went on I saw the opposition to the president as distasteful and wrongheaded. I never looked back.
    So you don't think Bush did a horrible job while in office and made a fool of himself and our country?

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