View Poll Results: Pass a Line Item Veto Amendment to the US Constitution?

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Thread: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, sweet.

    Is "building an aircraft carrier" the same subject as "purchasing body armor" or the same subject at "building a tank"?

    Who gets to decide what the "one subject" is, the President? The House? The Senate?

    If the bill winds up with (gasp!) two subjects....what's the prez going to do, veto the secondary subject? Or ...gee just like today, we'll see fools saying he shouldn't sign the bill?

    You people are so naive.
    Yet we have bills that pass that are several hundred pages long, that weren't released until the day of the vote. You know people aren't voting on something they have read and researched. And neither is the President when he's signing the thing. People look at the name and that's that.

    The line-item veto is legislative authority exercised by the executive; that's not something that's supposed to happen. The President already legislates through the executive order (which is why the power and scope of the EO should be drastically reduced), no more legislation through the President. The President isn't king, he shouldn't be able to write and enact law. If we're looking for restrictions, we should look to the Congress side because a lot of the arguments for this are born out of the ridiculous nature of some of the bills which come out of Congress. We should also enforce through votes some form of reasonable parliamentary procedure. If politicians are not willing to be rational and logical, they should lose their seat. It's a lot to ask for, but I don't think giving the President legislative powers is the solution to the problem.

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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    Meh. Just veto the whole thing and make them start over. I doubt congress will learn either way but do it on principle. If Obama can take a four day vacation after congress ramrods a spending bill down our throats (without reading it mind you) then it cant be very imperative to American can it?
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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    The choices in this poll suck.

    SCOTUS has already ruled that a line item veto is unconstitutional, as it should have. However, Bush's signing statements were never challenged and they are just as unconstitutional.

    I believe Obama has recently spoken on how those earmarks are to be handled in the future. I hope he sticks to his guns. If they can't be argued they shouldn't be in a bill. I see it as black and white. However, we are talking about politics and politicians.
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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The choices in this poll suck.

    SCOTUS has already ruled that a line item veto is unconstitutional, as it should have. However, Bush's signing statements were never challenged and they are just as unconstitutional.

    Yet...amazingly...the USSC Supreme Court has NEVER ruled that an Amendment ratified to the Constitution is unconstitutional. Gotta wonder how that would work if the States got their act together and pushed Congress to give the president the line item veto Amendment he needs to rein in the nonsense the Congress keeps shoving out.


    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I believe Obama has recently spoken on how those earmarks are to be handled in the future. I hope he sticks to his guns. If they can't be argued they shouldn't be in a bill. I see it as black and white. However, we are talking about politics and politicians.

    Obama won't do a thing.

    He can't.

    He doesn't have line item veto authority.

    He either vetos the entire bill, and the Congress overrides it, which it will do if there's enough earmarks on the pig, or he signs it.

    And President Callow Puppet ain't gonna cross Nancy and Harry. Won't happen.

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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't trust any part of government.
    Yeah right. sure.

    Of course.

    Naturally.

    Its the in-thing to say.

    Your opposition to a Line Item Veto Amendment says that you trust the thieves in congress more than the boob in the White House.

    I understand them both and recognize that giving the President the power to say "no" to specific absurd items will curtail the production of those items in the future.

    These other people? They're living in a strange land where consequences never affect future action.

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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    I think a line-item veto makes pragmatic sense, and I don't see how it could be interpreted as unconstitutional.

    Individual provision which are vetoed by the president would go back to congress, instead of returning the entire bill.

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    Re: How's about a Line-Item-Veto Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    The thing about the line item veto is, would congress have the ability to override the LI-Vetos when they occur?
    If that weren't the case, I sure couldn't support it. But if it is? Yeppers, let 'er rip.
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