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Thread: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'm with Bhkad on this. Only a fool discards worthwhile options out of hubris. Afghanistan is an extremely divided area, and it would be a mistake not to use that to our advantage.
    The problem with this: According to the arguments hysterically put forward at every turn for the last eight years by liberals, such "arrogant meddling" in the Islamic world would excuse another decade or two of terrorist attacks against America and continue making us the aggressors for daring to fight back.

    Welcome to the national dialogue that thinking, reasonable adults must have with liberals.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, it makes it a demand with the muscle to back it up.
    Um...we have the military might to back up our demands...regardless of where various units are currently stationed. And our enemies know this. Having military units nearby as we negotiate with terrorists in no way transforms what we are doing into something less objectionable than...negotiating with terrorists.

    Weak attempt at a counterpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Which is almost exactly what Bush would have done had he focused on Afghanistan before walking into Iraq.
    Bush would've ever, under any circumstances, negotiated with the people protecting bin Laden? Meanwhile, on planet Earth, those of us who watched Democrats tear him to shreds for eight years straight for refusing at every turn to negotiate with the lunatic fundamentalist regime they installed in Iran, the North Korean regime they helped go nuclear, or the Syrian regime they protected from diplomatic pressure can't help but notice that all the facts and evidence directly contradict this claim.

    And even if your first hilariously mind-numbing point here weren't unmistakably false on its face, Bush couldn't station a brigaide nearby while negotiating with those protecting bin Laden...because the tiny fraction of our overall troops that were deployed at the time also included some in Iraq?

    Um...sure.

    Moving along.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    The problem with this: According to the arguments hysterically put forward at every turn for the last eight years by liberals, such "arrogant meddling" in the Islamic world would excuse another decade or two of terrorist attacks against America and continue making us the aggressors for daring to fight back.

    Welcome to the national dialogue that thinking, reasonable adults must have with liberals.
    This is anything but reasonable. In fact, your entire spin is nothing but unadulterated dishonesty.

    No one has suggested we don't fight back and not retaliating attacks made against us has never been a serious part of the national dialogue.

    But again, let's not let reality get in the way of your hyperpartisan ranting.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Only you would think...
    Fine, let's have a show of hands. How many here think there's a difference between working with the terror-sponsoring regime that facilitated 9/11 and continues to aid and shelter bin Laden to this day and using the fact that al Qaida had turned the Sunnis in Iraq against them to bring an alienated religious sect of the country to the table for unity governance and anti-al Qaida efforts?
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    I urge those opposed to the current Afghanistan philosophy to read this interview and go beyond a one dimensional view of the challenges and opportunities we face there.

    “Dealmaking is a part of what can be a successful counterinsurgency campaign. ... But it needs to be the right kind of deals, the kind of deals that will deny Al Qaeda that opportunity to plot and plan.”
    FRONTLINE: the war briefing: interviews: henry crumpton | PBS

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Um...we have the military might to back up our demands...regardless of where various units are currently stationed. And our enemies know this. Having military units nearby as we negotiate with terrorists in no way transforms what we are doing into something less objectionable than...negotiating with terrorists.

    Weak attempt at a counterpoint.
    Such a pitty that the people in charge disagree with your little fairy tale. You've done nothing here except toss around some charged rhetoric and exhibited a startling lack of understanding of the situation you are flapping your gums about.

    Congratulations are in order for your flawless performance of someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

    Bush would've ever, under any circumstances, negotiated with the people protecting bin Laden?
    I never made the claim that we were negotiating with a faction that is protecting the bin Laden. The Taliban is fractured. I thought you were up to date on all this.

    Meanwhile, on planet Earth, those of us who watched Democrats tear him to shreds for eight years straight for refusing at every turn to negotiate with the lunatic fundamentalist regime they installed in Iran, the North Korean regime they helped go nuclear, or the Syrian regime they protected from diplomatic pressure can't help but notice that all the facts and evidence directly contradict this claim.
    So this isn't even really about what is happening now. It's about an ax you have to grind against the treatment of Bush. I understand completely now.

    And even if your first hilariously mind-numbing point here weren't unmistakably false on its face, Bush couldn't station a brigaide nearby while negotiating with those protecting bin Laden...because the tiny fraction of our overall troops that were deployed at the time also included some in Iraq?
    I see reading comprehension fails you yet again. But then it's rather hard to read when your blinders are pulled so low over your face you can't see what is presented.

    Um...sure.

    Moving along.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    This is anything but reasonable. In fact, your entire spin is nothing but unadulterated dishonesty.

    No one has suggested we don't fight back and not retaliating attacks made against us has never been a serious part of the national dialogue.

    But again, let's not let reality get in the way of your hyperpartisan ranting.
    If Democrats hadn't opposed virtually every single thing we've done since 9/11 to fight back, including the war in Afghanistan (until it could be used to undermine the next war they voted for in Iraq), then this statement might actually make sense. But as it is, this is nothing but mindless ad hominem smearing.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I urge those opposed to the current Afghanistan philosophy to read this interview and go beyond a one dimensional view of the challenges and opportunities we face there.



    FRONTLINE: the war briefing: interviews: henry crumpton | PBS
    If I wanted to see the most rabidly left-wing version of the issue, I'd go straight to the head of the Democratic Party: MoveOn.

    Frontline, or anything connected to such a blatant DNC propagandist like Bill Moyers is a total waste of time for anyone interested in the facts.

    If you can find any source that hasn't spent the last decade utterly destroying its own credibility, I'll be glad to give it a look.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    If I wanted to see the most rabidly left-wing version of the issue, I'd go straight to the head of the Democratic Party: MoveOn.

    Frontline, or anything connected to such a blatant DNC propagandist like Bill Moyers is a total waste of time for anyone interested in the facts.
    The only news that is worth printing is the news from Rush,right?

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    If Democrats hadn't opposed virtually every single thing we've done since 9/11 to fight back, including the war in Afghanistan (until it could be used to undermine the next war they voted for in Iraq), then this statement might actually make sense. But as it is, this is nothing but mindless ad hominem smearing.

    Show me someone who has opposed the Afghan war.
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