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Thread: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    There are some locally focused Taliban who have no interest in global politics and some Taliban who are part of the global Islamist threat.

    The idea is to get these two factions to fight each other.
    Agreed. That's how we did it in Iraq. That's how the Brits did it in Malay. It played somewhat of a role in Ireland.

    But apparently if a Democrat does it, it's appeasement.

    Apparently Aquapub thinks that divide and conquer is a bad strategy.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    I'm with Bhkad on this. Only a fool discards worthwhile options out of hubris. Afghanistan is an extremely divided area, and it would be a mistake not to use that to our advantage. We have nothing to lose by talking to the Taliban, and it could bring in some substantial benefits.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    I know that Bush and Cheney are out of office. I know that Bush loved war and death. It did not matter whether they were men women or children.
    Seems to me that Bush had two goals. One was to have wars and kill, the other was to get his cronies who are very rich, much richer.

    Bush succeeded in practically destroying the United States. We have do many enemies now. It may take 30 years to repair the disaster caused by Bush and his cronies.

    Maybe by negoiating we can find out why they are terrorists and solve problems.

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    We Right Wing Republican GOP people want war. We want to kill, we want to rule the world. Let's drop Nuclear weapons on Iran, France, North Korea, Venezuala, Chile, Canada, Israel, Palestine, Ireland, Cuba, Alaska, Russia and Mexico.

    Then we could get on the evening news and be happy republicans. Heck if we just release Green House gases, and raise the water level by a couple hundred feet with melting ice, then the earth would do our killin for us.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    I know that Bush and Cheney are out of office. I know that Bush loved war and death. It did not matter whether they were men women or children.
    Seems to me that Bush had two goals. One was to have wars and kill, the other was to get his cronies who are very rich, much richer.

    Bush succeeded in practically destroying the United States. We have do many enemies now. It may take 30 years to repair the disaster caused by Bush and his cronies.

    Maybe by negoiating we can find out why they are terrorists and solve problems.

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    Gosh,,, Solve Problems? ----- Us Right Wingers don't want to solve problems, we want create problems and start wars for no reason with everyone.

    We Right Wing Republican GOP people want war. We want to kill, we want to rule the world. Let's drop Nuclear weapons on Iran, France, North Korea, Venezuala, Chile, Canada, Israel, Palestine, Ireland, Cuba, Alaska, Russia and Mexico.

    Then we could get on the evening news and be happy republicans. Heck if we just release Green House gases, and raise the water level by a couple hundred feet with melting ice, then the earth would do our killin for us.

    God Bless the USA.
    What kind of a terrible message is this. We will overcome, and we will have war and death.

    All US Good GOP-ers agree, to heck with the American people, we want war. WAR WAR WAR, STARVATION AND DEATH, and profits for the very rich.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    A military presence at a negotiation with terrorists makes it something other than negotiating with terrorists? Um...sure.
    No, it makes it a demand with the muscle to back it up. Which is almost exactly what Bush would have done had he focused on Afghanistan before walking into Iraq.

    Besides, this act alone is not what I'm identifying as the return to the left's "grovel, appease, and surrender" strategy that so utterly failed us with al Qaida. It's Democrats:
    With you, it always is the Democrats.

    -ludicrously apologizing to Iran's Islamo-fascist psycho-in-chief Ahmadenijad for America's policies,
    I haven't seen anything close to making that hyperbole true.

    -incompetently botching critical U.S. alliances in the War on Terror,
    Like?

    -surrendering missile defenses as the racist lunatic regime they installed in Iran goes nuclear,
    That hasn't been done yet either.

    -negotiating with and giving hundreds of millions of U.S. tax dollars to terrorists,
    Well, yes, we are giving money to the Palestinians.

    -releasing al Qaida terrorists from Gitmo,
    And moved to another prison.

    -removing all U.S. pressure against the tyrannical Castro regime in Cuba,
    Which is an island that can't touch us currently.

    -re-inflicting deep military budget cuts,
    I thought you would be all about slashing the federal budget any way we could.

    ...and so on.

    Thanks for the ad hominem BS though.
    Blah blah blah. You get what you give, sparky.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    This "Bush worked with the Sunnis" red herring was already addressed in the article. Learn how to read.
    Only you would think this addressed that:

    "But now even that has been thrown under the bus, and Democrats are running up the white flag, "reaching out" to Islamic fundamentalists who murdered thousands of Americans, as the news media rush in to excuse it by hilariously likening it to Bush working with the Sunnis in Iraq. The problem with this, of course, is that Sunnis are not some extremist regime. They are a faction of a religion."

    Incorrect. We reached out to specific groups that had been tied to foreign religious fighters. This includes Sunnis and Shias. We did not reach out to every Sunni in Iraq. Furthermore, we specifically went after tribes that were strongly tied to the foreign religious fighters. One of key people we tried to kill for years in Iraq is now one of our employees. Newsweek did an article on him and how we felt about working for the people he tried to murder.

    And the fact that they are a faction of a religion is quite irrelevant. Iraq (among others) proved that moderates and the half hearted can be separated from the extremists, turned against them and be made instrumental in bringing about peace. The British have all kinds of stories from Malaya were insurgent bosses switched sides and then helped the British forces decimate the Communist rebels. The British cite many of these turncoats as the reason why they turned a losing war against an insurgency into a peaceful, stable democratic nation.

    Extremist regime or faction of a religion has no relevance here.

    Furthermore, your poorly thought out article ignores how many in the Taliban are not the same as those in 2001. It is as if the author thinks that the Taliban who waged a crusade against opium is the same Taliban who now actively protects opium crops, harvests it, transports it and funds its operations against the NATO forces from the proceeds.

    Those who have studied history disagree with you. Only those who are only in it for hyperpartisan hypocritical ranting agree with your position.
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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'm with Bhkad on this. Only a fool discards worthwhile options out of hubris. Afghanistan is an extremely divided area, and it would be a mistake not to use that to our advantage. We have nothing to lose by talking to the Taliban, and it could bring in some substantial benefits.
    What we'd have to lose is face. But pride goes before a fall. We would certainly lose all before we won or if we tried to "win" as we have "won" in Iraq.

    I suggest those who disagree take an hour to watch this eye opening show.

    FRONTLINE: the war briefing | PBS

    Alexander the Great. The British Empire. The Soviet Union.

    All tried and failed to win in Afghanistan through conventional warfare.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    I see the other side in theory, however how is this different than when posters like dragonslayer and other leftists post pictures of Saddam and rumsfeld or chastize the right for backing afghanistan against russia....


    Isn't this the same thing? And again, how does one negotiate from the position of your death?


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    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    There are some locally focused Taliban who have no interest in global politics and some Taliban who are part of the global Islamist threat.

    The idea is to get these two factions to fight each other.
    Do both of these sects not shelter and aid al Qaida?
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: Democrats Reverse U.S. Policy, Negotiate With Terrorists-Even the Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Agreed. That's how we did it in Iraq. That's how the Brits did it in Malay. It played somewhat of a role in Ireland.
    Yet when Ronald Reagan used it in the Iran-Iraq war, liberals spent two decades tirelessly smearing him as what's wrong with our arrogant foreign policy approach.

    Funny how quickly the tone changes when liberals finally have to present ideas that actually work for a change...then, and only then, are they willing not only to duplicate the strategy, but to do it with those sheltering and aiding bin Laden.

    Aren't liberals the ones who told us finding bin Laden was "the real mission" and fell all over each other to hysterically denounce Bush for working with the Saudis and Pakistan (governments that were against al Qaida)? Yet now it's just a common sense strategy to ally ourselves with an actual terrorist sponsor that cause 9/11?

    And liberals are crying hypocrisy?!?

    Did you people seriously think no one would notice the gaping holes in your blatant Obama-apologist spin?

    Hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But apparently if a Democrat does it, it's appeasement.
    If a Democrat...contradicts everything they have claimed to stand for...to negotiate with those shielding al Qaida...after spending five years using "the real war" in Afghanistan to undermine the other war Democrats voted for in Iraq...that is surrender...on a monumentally hypocritical scale.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Apparently Aquapub thinks that divide and conquer is a bad strategy.
    Apparently oblivious child is to busy derailing to sneer at people to realize that the difference is working with terrorists vs. working with those who oppose terrorists.

    Way to think it through.
    Last edited by aquapub; 03-10-09 at 12:28 PM.
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