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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Clearly you have no desire to honestly debate. You've been caught flat footed and as typical, you've engage in moving the goal posts and side stepping. That's fine.
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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Obama: But the fact is that eliminating earmarks alone is not a recipe for how we're going to get the middle class back on track.


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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Clearly you have no desire to honestly debate. You've been caught flat footed and as typical, you've engage in moving the goal posts and side stepping. That's fine.


    /sniff sniff



    I post facts, you try to pigeon hole me in a failing semantics game.... the only dishonesty here is yours as usual.


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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    goofy semantics... oh fun......


    Please read my posts and address my actual points.... Note "end earmarks" and note his stating "no earmarks" in my videos that you cackle and cry as "spam".... then get back to me.
    Obama campaigned on ending earmarks,
    Really, so he never campaigned on ending earmarks in bills as a canidate?
    What about his campaign promise to end earmarks and pork spending?
    There are three of your actual points I've been addressing. I've asked you to substantiate it. You have not.
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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There are three of your actual points I've been addressing. I've asked you to substantiate it. You have not.



    Semantics, fun....


    Where did I say "End all earmarks"


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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Obama: But the fact is that eliminating earmarks alone is not a recipe for how we're going to get the middle class back on track.


    Project Vote Smart - President Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. - The First Presidential Debate - Transcript


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    And yet again here we are with you posting links yet failing to actually dig out the evidence you think supports your case. Can you show me anywhere in here where Obama talks about actually ending earmarks? The sentence you have cited is in response to McCain's stance on earmarks.
    OBAMA: Well, Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused, which is why I suspended any requests for my home state, whether it was for senior centers or what have you, until we cleaned it up.

    And he's also right that oftentimes lobbyists and special interests are the ones that are introducing these kinds of requests, although that wasn't the case with me.

    But let's be clear: Earmarks account for $18 billion in last year's budget. Senator McCain is proposing -- and this is a fundamental difference between us -- $300 billion in tax cuts to some of the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the country, $300 billion.

    Now, $18 billion is important; $300 billion is really important. And in his tax plan, you would have CEOs of Fortune 500 companies getting an average of $700,000 in reduced taxes, while leaving 100 million Americans out.

    So my attitude is, we've got to grow the economy from the bottom up. What I've called for is a tax cut for 95 percent of working families, 95 percent.

    And that means that the ordinary American out there who's collecting a paycheck every day, they've got a little extra money to be able to buy a computer for their kid, to fill up on this gas that is killing them.

    And over time, that, I think, is going to be a better recipe for economic growth than the -- the policies of President Bush that John McCain wants to -- wants to follow.

    LEHRER: Senator McCain?

    MCCAIN: Well, again, I don't mean to go back and forth, but he...

    (CROSSTALK)

    LEHRER: No, that's fine.

    MCCAIN: Senator Obama suspended those requests for pork-barrel projects after he was running for president of the United States. He didn't happen to see that light during the first three years as a member of the United States Senate, $932 million in requests.

    Maybe to Senator Obama it's not a lot of money. But the point is that -- you see, I hear this all the time. "It's only $18 billion." Do you know that it's tripled in the last five years? Do you know that it's gone completely out of control to the point where it corrupts people? It corrupts people.

    That's why we have, as I said, people under federal indictment and charges. It's a system that's got to be cleaned up.

    I have fought against it my career. I have fought against it. I was called the sheriff, by the -- one of the senior members of the Appropriations Committee. I didn't win Miss Congeniality in the United States Senate.

    Now, Senator Obama didn't mention that, along with his tax cuts, he is also proposing some $800 billion in new spending on new programs.

    Now, that's a fundamental difference between myself and Senator Obama. I want to cut spending. I want to keep taxes low. The worst thing we could do in this economic climate is to raise people's taxes.

    OBAMA: I -- I don't know where John is getting his figures. Let's just be clear. What I do is I close corporate loopholes, stop providing tax cuts to corporations that are shipping jobs overseas so that we're giving tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States. I make sure that we have a health care system that allows for everyone to have basic coverage.

    I think those are pretty important priorities. And I pay for every dime of it.

    But let's go back to the original point. John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.

    But the fact is that eliminating earmarks alone is not a recipe for how we're going to get the middle class back on track.
    You cherry picked and did so blatantly. This is in no way a stance on ending earmarks. Again, I admonish you to actually read the citations you make. This in no way supports your case.
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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?



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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Semantics, fun....


    Where did I say "End all earmarks"


    The failure once again is yours.
    Where in that quote did I say "end all earmarks?" If I didn't say that, and then you attacked me for it, how is the failure mine?

    Seriously, if you have no desire to actually debate intelligently, just leave the thread. I doubt the OP really has any desire to see this thing crapped up like this.
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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Where does it say he is going to get rid of ALL earmarks?

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    Re: Obama to blame for earmarks in spending bill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Are you trolling? Clearly we've addressed this already and it was ME who brought up that he would go over the budget line by line and then didn't do so. You are not debating.
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