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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    It's called climate change, not global warming. There is a big difference.

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Do you?

    It means, if we can warm the climate, we can cool it too.

    Do you really think man can accomplish this intentionally or not?
    I think humans have a duty to protect this world for future generations [Contrary to the popular opinion the Earth is not going to "fix" itself by magic and no - We do NOT have a spare Earth tucked away], perhaps we did not do this intentionally but now we know we have a negative impact - we should be doing all we can to lower the rate it is moving.

    It's all well and good for old people [let's face it, they are the main sceptics] to say scientists are lying and Governments want to tax more, they are the ones that are going to pop their clogs and leave the mess for my generation to clean.
    All the animals and landscape, beauty that is here for this generation should be preserved for the next.

    And i must say, the one nation i thought that would be the most welcoming to enviromental protection - i figured it'd be US as many are Christians and so what happened to preserving God's beauty?
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I think humans have a duty to protect this world for future generations ...

    ...All the animals and landscape, beauty that is here for this generation should be preserved for the next.

    And i must say, the one nation i thought that would be the most welcoming to environmental protection - i figured it'd be US as many are Christians and so what happened to preserving God's beauty?

    Absolutely we have a duty to be good stewards of what we have been given.

    We owe our children and grandchildren a debt of courtesy, if nothing else, to pass on what we have been given, in as good or better condition than we found it. But along with the environment there is the matter of freedom. If we over react we may wind up giving them neither.

    As Christianity is continually marginalized in the public forum any positive effect it has on societal behavior is simply lost. Unfortunately if we can't call ourselves a Christian nation in a <insert topic here> debate, we can't in an environmental debate either.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's called climate change, not global warming. There is a big difference.
    You mean the natural process of the planets changing climate???

    Ya... we GOTTA stop THAT.... no matter what the cost. :P

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Do you?

    It means, if we can warm the climate, we can cool it too.

    Do you really think man can accomplish this intentionally or not?

    I think if we made an all out effort one way or the other it would never work.

    In 15th Century Europe they had a mini Ice-Age. How would the enviromanics react to that today? Like the Chicken Littles they are?

    South Bavaria was a wine region up to 500-years ago. It's too cold to be a wine region today. Shouldn't we be warmer then?

    Math for the warmest period during the last 100 years was recently corrected by a 14-year old math geek. The last decade was the hottest using Algore math, but falls down the list when people add 1+1.

    The Hockey stick curve was also exploded. It was a fixed program.

    In models they cannot factor in the role of water vapor accurately... clouds... because they don't know what it does.

    Global Warming Hoax: NASA Revises Temperature Data - 1930's warmest on record!
    Al Gore is a spokesMAN, a politician, not a climate scientist..
    I do believe man may have warmed the planet, via the emissions of greenhouse gasses...
    As the climate is always in a state of flux, this is difficult to prove..
    But I'd sooner heed what a majority of scientists avow and ignore the politicians..

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    There is an absolute consensus in the scientific community that man-made global warming is a reality. Well, not quite absolute, but comparable to say the consensus that gravity is a reality.
    One might suspect that global warming deniers should be treated the same as gravity deniers: simply as fools unable to recognize reality, completely unaware of the facts around them. But in fact it is far more sinister, as most global warming deniers are well aware that it is occuring but are partisan political hacks in the pockets of the businesses inflicting this damage on the entire earth.
    As the damages of global warming continue to mount to the catostrophic level, being a global warming denier will become akin to being a holocaust denier, and all those who did will have a legacy of shame and disgrace.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    There is an absolute consensus in the scientific community that man-made global warming is a reality. Well, not quite absolute, but comparable to say the consensus that gravity is a reality.
    So, groups like NASA that say that the 'consensus' is inconclusive...

    Bottom line : Co2 as a culprit is at the least an oversimplification.

    One might suspect that global warming deniers should be treated the same as gravity deniers: simply as fools unable to recognize reality, completely unaware of the facts around them. But in fact it is far more sinister, as most global warming deniers are well aware that it is occuring but are partisan political hacks in the pockets of the businesses inflicting this damage on the entire earth.
    It's those 'partisan political hacks' that are proposing global carbon taxes to 'combat climate change'... when, IMO at least, that kind of tax, putting a few extra cents in the pockets of some bankers or government beaurocrats is hardly anything remotely approaching a solution to the REAL environmental damage that humans are causing.

    As the damages of global warming continue to mount to the catostrophic level, being a global warming denier will become akin to being a holocaust denier, and all those who did will have a legacy of shame and disgrace.
    Um... according to 'global warming theory' or the 'hockey stick curve' shouldn't the ice caps have melted and the world be drowned in floodwaters already??

    It's the catastrophism of 'global warming/ CO2 theory' that takes away all the credence... also having 'CO2' as the bad guy in all this, it takes away from discussion of the treatment of corporations / industries that are pumping out toxic chemicals into the waterways, the GMO 'foods' that are taking over from 'heirloom' varieties of the same foods, our reliance on oil and coal production (MORESO than it's consumption), mass deforestation, and other REAL environmental concerns.

    What is presented by 'Al Gore' and the 'supposed' consensus (I can't find the source, but many of the 'consenting' scientists disagreed with AGH, but had been used... not to mention the opinion of reviewers and so on. I forget the name of the book that Al Gore helped 'co-author' that said it plainly that environmental crisis would be used to usher in a global tax that will form one of the controlling aspects of a one world government.

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    I don't get why global warming would be a bad thing? When the dinosaurs lived on this planet, it was 6 degrees Celsius warmer and we had the largest animals to ever exist vs. the last ice age that nearly destroyed all life and 98% of all plant life. I know, I know, we rather have it as is, as the status quo but still...

    I almost wish there was a planet just like earth but had 100 times the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere so we could get this over with, I mean come on, right?

    And also, I would like to give a warning, of my own. The Bible is infamous for being used as a tool of manipulation and propaganda to get people to believe in some one's else cause. The same can be done with science. Believe, but not blindly. Remember, if you are a university professor, if you don't bring in grants to your school, you will get fired. Consider who is doing the research.

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by faminedynasty View Post
    There is an absolute consensus in the scientific community that man-made global warming is a reality. Well, not quite absolute, but comparable to say the consensus that gravity is a reality.
    About that whole consensus thing...

    Evolution News & Views: Is There a “Consensus” in Science? Remembering the Late Michael Crichton

    I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.
    Now this is just Michael Crichton's opinion but it casts a little doubt on the gravity analogy.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    We are only having to call it a consensus because there are political hacks disputing the obvious facts and they have an audience with those upon whom scientific facts have no sway. It is, in fact, an undeniable and demonstrable fact.
    Thus it is a consensus in the same sense that gravity is a consensus. Which is to say indisputable fact, or sound scientific theory, at least according to those who base their reports on loyalty to the truth and not partisan politics or the belief that we may hasten the rapture by fueling global warming.
    It seems apparent based on the data in the same sense that gravity or relativity does. It seems in fact, obvious. I think it would be wise, therefore to believe in it. Unless of course we want to get philosophical and assert that an evil deity may be deceiving us. Which is entirely possible.
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