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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagged N. View Post
    Yes, thank you.
    No problem. I thought you should learn the difference. The people telling you what the weather will be like tomorrow are not the same people who study the climate.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No problem. I thought you should learn the difference. The people telling you what the weather will be like tomorrow are not the same people who study the climate.
    I'll consider myself handily dealt with.


    So, where do the climatologists get their data? I may have incorrectly assumed they would accumulate it, at least in part, from statistical data gathered by meteorologists.
    Climatology (from Greek κλίμα, klima, "region, zone"; and -λογία, -logia) is the study of climate, scientifically defined as weather conditions averaged over a period of time
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    This by article from 2007 by John Coleman (founder of The Weather Chanel) in which he states outright that the man-made global warming idea is a scam also...

    I suspect you might like to say to me, "John, look the research that supports the case for global warming was done by research scientists; people with PH D's in Meteorology. They are employed by major universities and important research institutions. Their work has been reviewed by other scientists with PH D's. They have to know a lot more about it than you do. Come on, John, get with it. The experts say our pollution has created an strong and increasing greenhouse effect and a rapid, out of control global warming is underway that will sky rocket temperatures, destroy agriculture, melt the ice caps, flood the coastlines and end life as we know it. How can you dissent from this crisis? You must be a bit nutty.

    Allow me, please, to explain how I think this all came about. Our universities have become somewhat isolated from the rest of us. There is a culture and attitudes and values and pressures on campus that are very different. I know this group well. My father and my older brother were both PHD-University types. I was raised in the university culture. Any person who spends a decade at a university obtaining a PHD in Meteorology and become a research scientist, more likely than not, becomes a part of that single minded culture. They all look askance at the rest of us, certain of their superiority. They respect government and disrespect business, particularly big business. They are environmentalists above all else.
    ...left me with the impression that the two groups would work together.

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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    I believe that climate change is cyclic. I believe we have some impact on what our current climate conditions are based upon the amount of pollution we pump into the air. I really have no idea how much we impact climate change. I can see how our pollution impacts the environment.

    I agree we should focus on clean energy, but I can't say we need to do this because we are heating the planet up. I think we need to do it because we need to curtail pollution.

    I have no idea if AGW is real as far as how it's being presented. But I am pretty positive we impact our climate to some degree. Whether we are frying our own planet...well I just don't know.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I think that with hundreds of millions of vehicles on the road and millions of factories and power plants spewing gasses on a scale that has never been seen, and with the rapid transition to such a state (less than a century), it would be pretty incredible if we were having no impact on the climate.
    Actually factories of old were spewing out much worst stuff than today. You exaggerate the number of factories.....millions? Even if there were that many, not all factories spew out pollution. I think maybe you haven't spent much time around a factory.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Even if anthropocentric global warming doesn't exist (which it does), would it be a bad thing if we switched off of oil, made our factories and entire economy more environmentally friendly, and stopped spewing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? I challenge anyone here to say yes, that it would definitively be a bad thing. Granted, it may require sacrifice in the short term, but in the long term, it will be much better for air quality, preserving the current climate, and getting off of foreign oil.

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    "...The rate of oil 'production', meaning extraction and refining (currently about 84 million barrels/day), has grown almost every year of the last century. Once we have used up about half of the original reserves, oil production becomes ever more likely stop growing and begin a terminal decline, hence 'peak'. The peak in oil production does not signify 'running out of oil', but it does mean the end of cheap oil, as we switch from a buyers' to a sellers' market. For economies leveraged on ever increasing quantities of cheap oil, the consequences may be dire. Without significant successful cultural reform, severe economic and social consequences seem inevitable."
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Actually factories of old were spewing out much worst stuff than today.
    At least in the US. However, you are ignoring the huge increase in factory and power plant production in the developing world. One major criticism of Kyoto was that the reductions by the first world would be instantly negated by the production of the 3rd. Merely because there is a decline in one area of the planet does not result in a net decline. China is opening coal plants at the rate of something like one a week. And China's coal plants lack the scrubbers, recapture and other emissions controlling technology mandated by governments in the West.

    You exaggerate the number of factories.....millions? Even if there were that many, not all factories spew out pollution. I think maybe you haven't spent much time around a factory.
    Depends what kind of factory. Aluminum production is pretty horrific in pollutions especially when they burn lignite for fuel. I take it you've never been to Beijing?

    Factories in the developing world DO spew out massive amounts of pollution.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    This poll sucks. Horribly.

    The world is indeed warming. The question is how much of a role do we play?

    To think that pumping hundreds of billions of tons of Co2 which is known to cause a green house effect into the atmosphere wouldn't do anything is truly insane. And we have evidence that the Permian extinction was directly caused by a series of massive super volcanoes erupting over hundreds of thousands of years emitting hundreds of billions of heat trapping gasses which lead to Anoxification of the oceans.

    We're clearly adding to the warming. The real question is just how much and how do we prepare for what comes next?
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This poll sucks. Horribly.

    The world is indeed warming. The question is how much of a role do we play?

    To think that pumping hundreds of billions of tons of Co2 which is known to cause a green house effect into the atmosphere wouldn't do anything is truly insane. And we have evidence that the Permian extinction was directly caused by a series of massive super volcanoes erupting over hundreds of thousands of years emitting hundreds of billions of heat trapping gasses which lead to Anoxification of the oceans.

    We're clearly adding to the warming. The real question is just how much and how do we prepare for what comes next?
    Kinetic theory of Gases: Proof that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas

    The author of this article might not agree with your assertion.

    It seems that labeling Co2 as a greenhouse gas is quite profitable, if not provable.

    On a side note I have carbon credits available at rock bottom prices, and they are 100% guaranteed to assuage liberal* guilt.




    * These credits have been tested and proven effective for treatment of affluenza in bloated ex-vice presidents.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Why has this become a partisan issue? its science.Al Gore maybe a hypocrit but that doesent mean man made global warming isnt real.It isnt even a political issue.
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    Re: Do you believe in Man Made Global Warming?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Why has this become a partisan issue? its science.Al Gore maybe a hypocrit but that doesent mean man made global warming isnt real.It isnt even a political issue.
    Wouldn't we need to remove man and compare to establish this?

    In the seventies the fear tactic was the coming ice age. Which is it?
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