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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So far he's been pretty liberal (compared to the average person)...but his presidency is only a month old, and there's only one thing to judge him on: The stimulus bill. While it was certainly left-of-center compared to what Americans are historically accustomed to, it was considered very timid by a lot of economists.
    787 BILLION dollars is timid? We haven't even spent that much on 7 years of Iraq war....
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    787 BILLION dollars is timid?
    Ya. With a recession of this magnitude, we really needed a stimulus at least twice that large.

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    We haven't even spent that much on 7 years of Iraq war....
    What does that have to do with the economic stimulus?
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Is THIS what you all voted for?

    BARNEY FRANK: I think it's what people voted for. There was no secret that this was going to happen. John McCain kept predicting that if Obama won, this would happen, and I think Obama felt an obligation to make an honest man out of John McCain -- or to keep him honest. One John's always been pretty honest. Of course the private sector is the engine to create wealth. But we also know, as Franklin Roosevelt knew and as others have known, that the private sector works best when it's got a set of rules and a cooperative set of arrangements with the public sector.

    RUSH LIMBAUGH: So during the campaign, remember now, the Democrats said that we --McCain, Joe the Plumber, we -- were crazy for warning that Obama was a socialist! Now Barney Frank says everybody knew it? Everybody knew this was going to happen? I did! I guarantee you that a majority of people that voted for the Bamster did not know this was going to happen. He was talking tax cuts. He wasn't talking about this. He was talking about lowering the sea levels four feet. He wasn't talking all this detailed, massive spending. I "disagwee" with Mr. "Fwank" on this, folks.
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    787 BILLION dollars is timid? We haven't even spent that much on 7 years of Iraq war....
    Paul Krugman has suggested over a trillion. Joseph Stiglitz who was the World Bank's chief economist also suggested a trillion.
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Is THIS what you all voted for?

    Barney: You Voted for Socialism
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    I'm not sure why I bother.

    This is factually true:

    "That the private sector works best when it's got a set of rules and a cooperative set of arrangements with the public sector."

    And the first part is one of Keynes's pillars of government. Functioning capitalism required a set of rules to function. Otherwise those within the capitalist framework move to modify and change the framework to favor monopolies. We saw this with the robber barons. Capitalism does not maintain itself. Somalia for example. And arrangements with the public sector have allowed massive construction firms to arise producing billions in lifetime profits. Not to mention that private renewable energy firms in Spain and Germany have weaned those countries off oil in to a large degree all with large profits. California's regulations have spawned numerous utility firms that provide efficiency and energy to meet a rapidly growing population without massive energy expansion. One reason why large parts of the US don't have large renewable is because government won't provide cooperative sets of arrangements regarding regulations.
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    At least honest.
    Tip of the cap.

    Too bad your party isn't honest about it as you are.
    Then we could have a fair battle.
    Sorry its not my party.


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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Obama's working to preserve the current capitalist economic structure, so he's technically being centrist with his economic stimulus bill, even though his bill itself is liberal. I actually think he hasn't been liberal enough, but I'm willing to accept that because he's putting forth an effort to engage the Republicans and create compromises - the Republicans are the ones who aren't being centrist enough.
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Watch the results of this poll, I may be wrong, but of course the conservatives will say no and the liberals will say yes. If that happens, isn't it just another sign that he is NOT a centrist?

    What do you think?

    What polls results then would you believe WOULD be a sign that he is a centrist?
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    Re: Obama governing from the middle?

    Consider the words of Pat Buchanan:

    In his campaign and inaugural address, Barack Obama cast himself as a moderate man seeking common ground with conservatives.

    Yet, his budget calls for the radical restructuring of the U.S. economy, a sweeping redistribution of power and wealth to government and Democratic constituencies. It is a declaration of war on the Right.

    The real Obama has stood up, and lived up to his ranking as the most left-wing member of the United States Senate.

    Barack has no mandate for this.

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    We are not "headed down the road to socialism." We are there.

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