View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Goal posts changed. You fail.
    That is moronic, I did not change anything. That is distinctly American, as in the US. You know a term we use interchangeably? Or is that a little above your head as well?

    Is that the best you could come up with?

    Just had to add this in for you...



    Just love that one.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is moronic, I did not change anything. That is distinctly American, as in the US. You know a term we use interchangeably? Or is that a little above your head as well?

    Is that the best you could come up with?

    Just had to add this in for you...



    Just love that one.


    But hey lets get past this. You do know that people can get married without ever ONCE visiting anyone thats religious? Without even having a ceremony? And it's been that way for a LONG time. Lets see if you know what it is....
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    What will changing the term the govt. uses really change?
    I think it would be good for morale. semantics are more important than a lot of people are willing to admit.

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    And how would you prevent people from calling it whatever they wanted to anyway?
    you wouldn't apply for a marriage license if it no longer existed, right? you'd get married, in your church or your parents' backyard or whatever, and then if you and your wife thought it was a good idea to bring uncle sam into your bedroom, you'd apply for civil benefits. so to speak.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Thank you for admitting that gay marriage is endangering my own personal right to marry.
    How does this endanger your personal right to marry?
    Gay marriage now achieves the criteria to be legal discrimination, and must never be allowed.
    What? How so?

    I never had any such 'right to marry who I want', though. Never.
    Your playing word games now Jerry. This isn't debating. You know what he was getting at.

    Gays have always had each and every single right that I enjoy, and I have always been bound by each and every single restriction that gays have been.
    Have gays been allowed to be married and share in the same benefits as heterosexual couples?
    There never was inequality, and to be fair, if marriage is abolished things would still be equal.
    See above question.

    So, we know that gay marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with equality, in any way, to any degree, at all whatsoever.
    See above question.

    No one's talking about religion, and I don't belong to a church even if we were.
    The main voice opposing gay marriage is absolutely talking religion. And regarding this issue it's the main opposition to it. It's relevant to the conversation.
    The only thing new you bring to the table is a concession that gay marriage seeks to destroy my rights.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: Do homosexuals get to marry who they want? 2: Do heterosexuals get to marry who they want? 3: Are the answers the same?

    1: No.
    2: Yes.
    3: No.

    Where is the morality in those questions? Is there logic to those questions? Yes.
    First, the answer to both 1 and 2 is "no". There may be fewer laws restricting whom one is allowed to marry than there were forty years ago, but there are still considerable restrictions.

    And the morality in those questions is the unproven moral assumption that the answer to 3 is supposed to be "yes". Considering that that's the assumption we are trying to prove by logic, the fact that you are simply assuming the answer without addressing it means that you are misusing logic.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    First, the answer to both 1 and 2 is "no". There may be fewer laws restricting whom one is allowed to marry than there were forty years ago, but there are still considerable restrictions.

    And the morality in those questions is the unproven moral assumption that the answer to 3 is supposed to be "yes". Considering that that's the assumption we are trying to prove by logic, the fact that you are simply assuming the answer without addressing it means that you are misusing logic.
    Really? Show me one heterosexual that wants to marry the same sex. Show me one heterosexual that does not get to marry who they want period. Or are you being so literal that you're going to try and pull the old "don't get to marry someone if they say no" bit? Let's not play semantics here. You know darn well what I mean. And what everyone else means by "want to marry who they want to".

    Edit: Actually lets put it this way. Are you married Korimyr? If so did you want to marry that person?
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 03-08-09 at 03:51 AM.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Really? Show me one heterosexual that wants to marry the same sex. Show me one heterosexual that does not get to marry who they want period. Or are you being so literal that you're going to try and pull the old "don't get to marry someone if they say no" bit? Let's not play semantics here. You know darn well what I mean. And what everyone else means by "want to marry who they want to".

    Edit: Actually lets put it this way. Are you married Korimyr? If so did you want to marry that person?
    Heterosexuals can marry who ever they want. Homosexuals cannot. How hard is that to understand?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Heterosexuals can marry who ever they want. Homosexuals cannot. How hard is that to understand?
    Thats my stance. But those that oppose it don't want to recognize that fact. They like to play semantic games in order to avoid facing the truth that not allowing homosexuals to marry is not right. That heterosexuals are in fact privileged when it comes to marriage.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Canada's Federal Government recognized gay marriage years ago, and the country has not fallen apart. After the legislation was passed there was some media buzz and now you never hear about it. It's such a trivial non-issue. The religious right will always think that they alone have entitlement to the term marriage, but the arguments they present are insufficient for explaining why they alone deserve the right.

    Atheists can get married. You don't have to be religious to be "married". Religion doesn't own marriage, even though many traditions subscribe to this idea. America is a plurality and the Constitution was made to acknowledge that, hence freedom of speech, press, religion, etc. Either the State gives everyone the same right to freedom of marriage, or the State should remove its hands from the issue altogether. If the justice system and legislative branch were honest about what the Constitution says, the Equal Protection clause would have stepped in already and ruled on this issue a long time ago.

    And no, the "same right" does not mean a gay man will marry a woman. It means a man can marry another man, or a woman can marry another woman. Until the State constitutional amendments came into play defining who marriage was between, the language was universal. This type of dishonesty is why America's foundation has begun to rot.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Heterosexuals can marry who ever they want. Homosexuals cannot. How hard is that to understand?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Thats my stance. But those that oppose it don't want to recognize that fact. They like to play semantic games in order to avoid facing the truth that not allowing homosexuals to marry is not right. That heterosexuals are in fact privileged when it comes to marriage.
    heterosexual individuals and homosexual individuals are subject to the same restrictions when applying for a marriage license from the state, simply because the state has no way of knowing if individuals are heterosexual or homosexual. that being said, the average heterosexual individual is probably slightly more likely to find the prospect of joining themselves permanently to a member of the opposite sex appealing or tolerable, but nowhere is any individual guaranteed the right to marry the person they would most like to marry. to suggest anything of the kind is illogical. if that's not what you meant, consider that being more accurate in the future will stop semantic arguments before they start.

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