View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And like I said. The moment an atheist got married marriage stopped being a religious institution.
    Not really, but you can think what you like.


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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, you weren't. It was a euphemism. You get the point though. Marriage has historically been defined by religion.
    It's also been defined by politics. Remember is it wasn't until around 1560's that Catholic priests started being apart of getting people married. Before then all it took was two people to say that they were married and their fathers agreeing to it.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where is Gallenrox?

    I told him this was necessarily the logical consequence of gay-marriage nearly 4 years ago on this forum, and he said I was full of ****.

    Where is he?

    So we're doing away with marriage now?

    Well there you go: gay-marriage is endangering my right to marry, therefore it is unconstitutional.
    It wouldn't endanger anything if you would just let homosexuals get married. You know give them the same right to marry who they want to marry like you get....

    And the right to marry will never get taken away even if the government ends up not recognizing it. But just because the government doesn't recognize it doesn't mean that you can't have a marriage recognized by your church.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not really, but you can think what you like.
    Prove otherwise then. - Since when has marriage been a religiously owned institution? What patent, copyright or any method of protection for intellectual property have the religious placed on marriage? The claim of the religious to owning the word marriage and all it comes with is Mickey Mouse.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prove otherwise then. - Since when has marriage been a religiously owned institution? What patent, copyright or any method of protection for intellectual property have the religious placed on marriage? The claim of the religious to owning the word marriage and all it comes with is Mickey Mouse.
    Didn't some religious group try to sue Mickey Mouse not to long ago?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Didn't some religious group try to sue Mickey Mouse not to long ago?
    His ears use to be pointier.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prove otherwise then. - Since when has marriage been a religiously owned institution? What patent, copyright or any method of protection for intellectual property have the religious placed on marriage? The claim of the religious to owning the word marriage and all it comes with is Mickey Mouse.
    If I was claiming that or said anything even close you could have had a point. I did not.

    I said it is OUR history, that distinctly American history. Pick up a history book about this country and you could learn allot about our traditions.

    In the beginning of the history of the 13 colonies you could find a complete history of most families were? In the family Bible. This included Births and marriages. This went for many, many years and included Jewish and other religions including slaves at the time.

    This country may not have been formed as a Christian country, but it was formed by a huge undeniable majority of Christians, period. We are still the majority to this very day.

    Don't need a copyright or anything else for that.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Let gays and straights use the word marriage. As long as the govt. is in the marriage business, they should recognize both without seperate but equal terminology.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It wouldn't endanger anything if you would just let homosexuals get married. You know give them the same right to marry who they want to marry like you get....

    And the right to marry will never get taken away even if the government ends up not recognizing it. But just because the government doesn't recognize it doesn't mean that you can't have a marriage recognized by your church.
    Well my post was just supposed to be one big 'haha I told you so where'd you run off to'...but if you want to get to the issue itself:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It wouldn't endanger anything if you would just let homosexuals get married.
    Thank you for admitting that gay marriage is endangering my own personal right to marry. Gay marriage now achieves the criteria to be legal discrimination, and must never be allowed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You know give them the same right to marry who they want to marry like you get....
    I never had any such 'right to marry who I want', though. Never.

    Gays have always had each and every single right that I enjoy, and I have always been bound by each and every single restriction that gays have been.

    There never was inequality, and to be fair, if marriage is abolished things would still be equal.

    So, we know that gay marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with equality, in any way, to any degree, at all whatsoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And the right to marry will never get taken away even if the government ends up not recognizing it. But just because the government doesn't recognize it doesn't mean that you can't have a marriage recognized by your church.
    No one's talking about religion, and I don't belong to a church even if we were.

    Nice try at a Red Herring, but you'll need to come up with something I haven't heard over and over for years.

    The only thing new you bring to the table is a concession that gay marriage seeks to destroy my rights. Since your position destroys the gay marriage argument in toto, I care even less about 'gay rights' as a result.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If I was claiming that or said anything even close you could have had a point. I did not.

    I said it is OUR history, that distinctly American history. Pick up a history book about this country and you could learn allot about our traditions.

    In the beginning of the history of the 13 colonies you could find a complete history of most families were? In the family Bible. This included Births and marriages. This went for many, many years and included Jewish and other religions including slaves at the time.

    This country may not have been formed as a Christian country, but it was formed by a huge undeniable majority of Christians, period. We are still the majority to this very day.

    Don't need a copyright or anything else for that.
    If you want to use only the America's history then you have to include all the way back to 1492. That is as much a part of our history as before the US was actually formed. It is during this time that led up to the Revolutionary war. And is even taught as US history in schools. Which still puts it within the time line of before priests started officiating marriages.
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