View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    but you don't need a priest anyway. the church doesn't issue licenses, the state does. the church is entirely optional. why does the church even matter in this discussion?
    When you get married you have to have SOME sort of marriage official sign your marriage certificate.

    Cephus said that he does not know of a single religion that would refuse to issue a marriage license based on breeding.

    If your wish is to have a Catholic priest sign your marriage certificate and your marital goals do not fall in line with Catholic teaching, the priest may legally refuse to sign.

    I never said that having the priest sign was mandatory. I just said that that was an example of a religion not issuing a marriage license based on breeding.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by BetterHalf View Post
    Pooks will disagree but I think the term marriage should be used for both straight and gay couples who pledge their lives to each other, forsaking all others, til death do you part.
    great, but do you think both types of "marriage" should have equal standing under the law?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    When you get married you have to have SOME sort of marriage official sign your marriage certificate.
    he doesn't have to be religious

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    Cephus said that he does not know of a single religion that would refuse to issue a marriage license based on breeding.
    he didn't say religion, did he?

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    I never said that having the priest sign was mandatory. I just said that that was an example of a religion not issuing a marriage license based on breeding.
    religions don't issue them!

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What is your REASONING regarding being in favor of discriminating against Homosexual Marriage?
    My REASONING is because it seems the Christian Church has an issue regarding the TERM "marriage." How am I discriminating when I want gay couples to enjoy the same rights as straight married couples?
    Explain.
    I am referring to the terms "marriage" and "civil union."
    Now explain to me where I am discriminating, and BH, you're right and I do disagree -- about the TERMS used used to describe these unions.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm unaware of a single marriage license issued on the basis of the ability to breed.
    for reference

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    he doesn't have to be religious
    Never said he had to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    he didn't say religion, did he?
    He said he couldn't think of a single example, or something along those lines. I gave an example.



    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    religions don't issue them!
    They can legalize them. Same difference. Otherwise you're just carrying around a nice piece of paper.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    He said he couldn't think of a single example, or something along those lines. I gave an example.
    you did not give an example, because the church doesn't issue marriage licenses. the states do.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    you did not give an example, because the church doesn't issue marriage licenses. the states do.
    I will have already said several times that the state issues the marriage license. But an "issued" license is useless unless you make it legal with the proper signatures.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    My REASONING is because it seems the Christian Church has an issue regarding the TERM "marriage."
    Who cares about what the Church has to say on this issue?
    Their "opinion" is completely Irrelevant regarding legal matters...

    Discrimination is against the law, yet our government fully endorses it.



    How am I discriminating when I want gay couples to enjoy the same rights as straight married couples? Explain.
    If you want them to enjoy the same rights, then you want them to be able to get married and use the term married...



    I am referring to the terms "marriage" and "civil union."
    Now explain to me where I am discriminating, and BH, you're right and I do disagree -- about the TERMS used used to describe these unions.
    I assume that I am "BH"? I have no idea how you get that out of my name though...

    Asked and answered...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    I will have already said several times that the state issues the marriage license. But an "issued" license is useless unless you make it legal with the proper signatures.
    right. but he definitely said "issued." not "signed." the state alone issues them to couples that fit the necessary criteria. even if they aren't signed yet by a priest or judge, they are not "useless" because they are in fact difficult to get, in that you have to apply, pay and qualify.

    the state won't issue a marriage license to a couple that doesn't fit the criteria. the catholic church won't issue any marriage licenses at all, and does NOT have the capacity to issue one or refuse to issue one based on the ability to breed. that WAS the point you were attempting to answer, but your answer was not relevant.

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