View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    fmen and women are not allowed to share bathrooms, but their bathrooms are equally operative, the same size with the same cleaning staff. is this a case of "separate but equal" terrible Discrimination? which gender is being treated unfairly? it is functional discrimination with a little d.
    Generally speaking, the women are getting the short end of that stick. My family goes to a public restroom near Pier 39 in San Francisco...I'm back out on the street in minutes....and spend twenty more watching this bum trying to sell hand made copper-wire figurines before the cops move him down the road...it takes more time for females to void their bladders, so there's often a long female line in those kinds of places.

    If the government is going to build public restrooms, it wouldn't hurt if that basic fact of life was taken into account when designing facilities.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yet we allow infertile heterosexual couples to get married, couplings which cannot EVER result in natural children. We allow women past the age of menopause to get married even though they can never produce natural children. Come on, you're not even trying.
    What about the gay couples past the age of child bearing?



    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In fact, I'm unaware of a single marriage license issued on the basis of the ability to breed.
    If you are Catholic, a lack of children is grounds for an annulment.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, most states restrict the ability of homosexuals to adopt at all.
    Do you have any evidence to back that up?

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    Come on, you're not making any sense at all.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Generally speaking, the women are getting the short end of that stick. My family goes to a public restroom near Pier 39 in San Francisco...I'm back out on the street in minutes....and spend twenty more watching this bum trying to sell hand made copper-wire figurines before the cops move him down the road...it takes more time for females to void their bladders, so there's often a long female line in those kinds of places.

    If the government is going to build public restrooms, it wouldn't hurt if that basic fact of life was taken into account when designing facilities.
    I always imagine a scenario where I heroically give up my spot in line to a pregnant woman. I figure it's the least I can do since I use their parking spaces. fortunately though it's never come up.

    the bathroom line is an opportunity for reflection and meditation, or if you like, social networking.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    What about the gay couples past the age of child bearing?


    If you are Catholic, a lack of children is grounds for an annulment.

    this ^^^^ isn't relevant


    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    Do you have any evidence to back that up?
    and this ^^^^ is pretty common knowledge actually.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    this ^^^^ isn't relevant
    It is. He said he didn't know of a single marriage license that was based on breeding. I just gave one example.

    Absolutes, remember?


    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    and this ^^^^ is pretty common knowledge actually.
    For whom? I was unaware of this "fact." And I still demand that he back up his claim.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    It is. He said he didn't know of a single marriage license that was based on breeding. I just gave one example.
    does the catholic church provide marriage licenses?

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    Absolutes, remember?
    I remember.

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    For whom? I was unaware of this "fact." And I still demand that he back up his claim.
    more power to ya.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    does the catholic church provide marriage licenses?
    You sign a state license, I believe, during the ceremony. However, religious differences are considered serious enough for grounds for a state divorce. If you told a lawyer that that you were no longer married in the eyes of the church for religious reasons X,Y and Z, you would have a solid case.

    For most, the religious aspect is far more important than the governmental. Because marriage is usually so deeply entwined with tradition in a religion, the state will basically stay out of it as much as possible and adhere to the religious institution (within reason).

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    does the catholic church provide marriage licenses?
    Not directly, no, in that the church is not the issuing authority of the municipal license.

    However, when you are married in a Catholic Church, you agree to various conditions which are added to your municipal license; such as alimony.

    One condition is the expectation to procreate, and failure of either person to procreate is grounds for divorce/annulment.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    It is. He said he didn't know of a single marriage license that was based on breeding. I just gave one example.
    But that's not a marriage license, licenses are issued by the state, not the Catholic Church. Besides, even if the church could issue licenses, they would not refuse to issue one because one did not breed, but they could recind one after the fact for someone not breeding somewhere down the line.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not directly, no, in that the church is not the issuing authority of the municipal license.

    However, when you are married in a Catholic Church, you agree to various conditions which are added to your municipal license; such as alimony.

    One condition is the expectation to procreate, and failure of either person to procreate is grounds for divorce/annulment.

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    It's critical to understand that not raising children is the exception tolerated, not the rule supported.
    I understand that it is the exception but I don't understand how the catholic example illustrates that point since the church doesn't give out marriage licenses in the US.

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