View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right... so you were simply taking it out of context. Good job.

    I could say that fruits and vegetables are good for people,
    And you could say that some people die when they eat strawberries. Wow.

    Now, regarding my statement, IN CONTEXT, that people should be able and allowed to marry whomever they want (do I really need to spell out inbreeding and all of that for you) and that there is not a logical or sound argument that can be made to the contrary... make one that is and stop wasting my time.
    maybe you don't know what "sweeeeeeping generalization" means.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    maybe you don't know what "sweeeeeeping generalization" means.

    Maybe you are right... but I certainly know what a "sweeping generalization" is.
    I also just demonstrated it with the strawberry analogy...

    It appears that you are the one that is lost in the absolutes of this issue.

    Now, last time or it will be obvious that you can't... make a counter argument that is logical and rational that allows for legally blocking people, male or female, gay or straight, from marrying one another if all obvious reasons like incest and such are taken out of the equation.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Maybe you are right... but I certainly know what a "sweeping generalization" is.
    I also just demonstrated it with the strawberry analogy...

    It appears that you are the one that is lost in the absolutes of this issue.

    Now, last time or it will be obvious that you can't... make a counter argument that is logical and rational that allows for legally blocking people, male or female, gay or straight, from marrying one another if all obvious reasons like incest and such are taken out of the equation.
    your strawberry analogy would be appropriate if you had said,

    fruits and vegetables are always good for everyone, and I defy anyone to come up with one circumstance where ingesting a fruit or vegetable of any kind would have a less than stupendous outcome.

    I would have said, are you sure you want to say that? it's rather broad and absolute.

    and you would reply, do your worst!

    at that point I would say, I get hives when I eat strawberries and sometimes have trouble breathing.

    and you would say, WTF you knew what I meant!

    regarding marriage, I have already made logical arguments, which you have never refuted. we left off with your racist mexican analogy, which was as weak and misleading as your strawberry analogy.

    they're always entertaining though!

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    the fact that homosexual marriage, as you have pointed out, is listed as an existing type of marriage is clearly proof that it should be available everywhere worldwide.
    Couldn't find the "Mexican" analogy, and in the end, I guess that this is all there is to it...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    your strawberry analogy would be appropriate if you had said,

    fruits and vegetables are always good for everyone, and I defy anyone to come up with one circumstance where ingesting a fruit or vegetable of any kind would have a less than stupendous outcome.

    I would have said, are you sure you want to say that? it's rather broad and absolute.

    and you would reply, do your worst!

    at that point I would say, I get hives when I eat strawberries and sometimes have trouble breathing.

    and you would say, WTF you knew what I meant!

    regarding marriage, I have already made logical arguments, which you have never refuted. we left off with your racist mexican analogy, which was as weak and misleading as your strawberry analogy.

    they're always entertaining though!
    Both analogies deal with people in a general sense, but not an absolute one.
    You can try and be as nit-picky as you like, and keep taking it out of context,
    but in the end you are not proving anything other than your ability to be snide.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, up until quite recently, religion CLAIMED ownership of marriage, whether or not that's actually true or not. However, what may have been true, or perceived to be true in the past, has no bearing on what is true today. In the modern world, religion simply provides a ceremony to celebrate marriage, it has no other function in the process.

    You can walk down all the aisles in all of the churches you want, you're not married until you get that piece of paper from the state.
    Religion CLAIMED ownership of marriage? Right. Whatever you say. I'm just going to let that statement sort of hang in air.

    Marriage was an institution established for business purposes. It was a way to grant sexual rights to ensure legitimate heirs, a way to increase wealth by combining property, and a simple way to establish who inherits what. In Western cultures a wedding ceremony was necessary because the Catholic Church was the only uniform power recognized by every nation.

    The dominant argument for homosexual marriage these days is "why can't a couple who loves each other get married like everyone else?" The cold and simple answer is that Western marriage has NEVER been about love.

    Marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Couldn't find the "Mexican" analogy, and in the end, I guess that this is all there is to it...
    you quoted me sarcastically agreeing with you that the dictionary is the leading authority on social issues.

    good job.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    you quoted me sarcastically agreeing with you that the dictionary is the leading authority on social issues.

    good job.

    Thanks for providing no case at all, and by default, admitting that you have none.

    You are dismissed.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Both analogies deal with people in a general sense, but not an absolute one.
    You can try and be as nit-picky as you like, and keep taking it out of context,
    but in the end you are not proving anything other than your ability to be snide.
    both analogies are idiotic and false.

    when you include words like "not one" "anyone" "whomever"--kind of like "never" and "always"--you are not dealing with the general anymore. you are dealing in absolutes. I warned you not to make sweeping generalizations. they are seldom, if ever, valid. and yet rather than modifying your sweeping generalization, you challenged me to disprove it and then accused me of taking it out of context. a sweeping generalization, once disproved in any context, is no longer a legitimate argument--leaving you, as I said before, nonplussed.

    I think it bothers you that I'm rational. admittedly, it's much easier to deal with raving bigots. kudos for bearing with me.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Thanks for providing no case at all, and by default, admitting that you have none.

    You are dismissed.
    the only case I have seen you provide has been completely demolished. if I'm at zero, you're at negative one.

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