View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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Thread: Civil Unions

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The legal institution of marriage was meant to support the religious institution of marriage.
    Which religion was that?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Take CA for example: Even in the face of Prop8, gays still today have access to share with a person of the SAME gender each and every single right, without any exception at all what so ever, that heteros have.

    Yet that's not enough. Gays cry inequality, and they are correct, but not in the way it appears.

    The 14th amendment grantees equality under the law, and today gays in CA have achieved equality under the law.

    Where gays are still unequal in not under the law, but sociologically, yet there is no grantee to be equal in society nor can any court ruling dictate sociological acceptance.
    The term "Marriage" is a legal term. If they are denied the use of this term they have not attained equality.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The whole issue is complicated by government (well government rarely makes anything more efficient). Marriage was sole property of religion before just after the civil war. The founding fathers didn't have to ask permission to be married; they just got married. But all that changed with the advent of the marriage license; it is at that point in which government usurped marriage from religion and made it an institution of their own. The ideal solution is to, of course, get rid of the marriage license; return to the natural state. Let religion have marriage, the State shouldn't be involved. And there should be no civil union either. The "benefits" of marriage, the most cited ones being contractual obligations and definitions can be handled through separate contract. And there is no reason that shouldn't be allowed, name whom you need to name in order to keep affairs in order and things of that nature. There is no special contract needed, you don't need to be married.

    Other benefits of marriage which include monetary advantage, child credit, etc. should all be abolished.
    I just don't understand where you people get these idiotic ideas from.

    Marriage always has and always will ONLY ever "belong" to or be "the property of" (whatever that's supposed to mean) humans.

    Humans expressed their union through religion, but that doesn't mean religion owned it unless someone was marrying the religion instead of another person.

    Humans expressed their marriage through codified laws, but that doesn't mean any government owned marriage unless someone was marrying the State instead of another person.

    What do you folks smoke when you come with this bull****?

    Marriage is not a thing to be owned by various political or governmental entities.

    Marriage is an activity, a behavior, a way of life, so what you are referring to are trends in how humans have and do practice being married.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is only a sweeping generalization if it is untrue. Care to test it?
    sure, it should take about three seconds.

    a pair of siblings in west virginia wants to get married. allowing marriage between siblings is a dangerous medical precedent.

    the word you're looking for is nonplussed.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I just don't understand where you people get these idiotic ideas from.

    Marriage always has and always will ONLY ever "belong" to or be "the property of" (whatever that's supposed to mean) humans.

    Humans expressed their union through religion, but that doesn't mean religion owned it unless someone was marrying the religion instead of another person.

    Humans expressed their marriage through codified laws, but that doesn't mean any government owned marriage unless someone was marrying the State instead of another person.

    What do you folks smoke when you come with this bull****?

    Marriage is not a thing to be owned by various political or governmental entities.

    Marriage is an activity, a behavior, a way of life, so what you are referring to are trends in how humans have and do practice being married.
    Yes. But, LEGALLY, marriage is a creature of the state.
    Since the issue here is LEGAL marriage, there is, necessarily, a governmental involvement.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    Marriage is an activity, a behavior, a way of life, so what you are referring to are trends in how humans have and do practice being married.
    Then why should the government be able to tell people who they can or can't love?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by freemyspeech View Post
    Then why should the government be able to tell people who they can or can't love?
    The government isn't doing that that.
    Nice strawman, though.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Government shouldn't be involved in it period. Then 'the people' can call it whatever the **** they feel like calling it on any given day or time.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I just don't understand where you people get these idiotic ideas from.

    Marriage always has and always will ONLY ever "belong" to or be "the property of" (whatever that's supposed to mean) humans.

    Humans expressed their union through religion, but that doesn't mean religion owned it unless someone was marrying the religion instead of another person.

    Humans expressed their marriage through codified laws, but that doesn't mean any government owned marriage unless someone was marrying the State instead of another person.

    What do you folks smoke when you come with this bull****?

    Marriage is not a thing to be owned by various political or governmental entities.

    Marriage is an activity, a behavior, a way of life, so what you are referring to are trends in how humans have and do practice being married.
    marriage is a contract. It used to be forged between two people and their God alone in accordance to the traditions and rules of the particular church. It is now forged between two people and the State as a State owned and recognized contract. Perchance a little history will help you out.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    sure, it should take about three seconds.

    a pair of siblings in west virginia wants to get married. allowing marriage between siblings is a dangerous medical precedent.

    the word you're looking for is nonplussed.
    Right... so you were simply taking it out of context. Good job.

    I could say that fruits and vegetables are good for people,
    And you could say that some people die when they eat strawberries. Wow.

    Now, regarding my statement, IN CONTEXT, that people should be able and allowed to marry whomever they want (do I really need to spell out inbreeding and all of that for you) and that there is not a logical or sound argument that can be made to the contrary... make one that is and stop wasting my time.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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