View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They want to get married under the law just like heteros? Fine, doesn't hurt anyone else.
    Even if it did, we would still allow it.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Religion is a key agent of socialization, everyone with a high school education knows that, so to pretend that this is news and argue that religion is somehow a stand alone entity is patently dishonest.

    All the labels, the place of the wedding, the titles of those involved, etc..those are all drapings, decorations and flavor for the same damn thing Atheists do.

    It's different only in superficial appearance.
    Well then that's an argument to make marriage a universal term and removed from any religious association.

    I was speaking to those in this thread, and the majority of the opponents of legalizing gay marriage, that believe marriage is a religious institution and that our how our laws recognize marriage should be dictated by their religion.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Why in the world would you use a different term when a perfectly good one already exists? Religion doesn't own marriage, it never has and never will, I couldn't care less if it offends the theotards that someone they don't like is using a word they lay claim to, they need to grow the hell up.

    Would we have been having this debate a few decades ago when multi-racial marriage became common? Oh, let's call their marriage something different because it might offend the racist religious nutballs!

    The whole debate is ludicrous.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    I really don't see how people can think that the legal version of marriage is still religious in its nature considering that it violates the rules of most religious groups in the US for marriage. People arguing from a religious standpoint are being ridiculous because clearly the legal institution of marriage is secular and the marriage laws would have nothing to do with the marriage in their churches.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by YamiB. View Post
    I really don't see how people can think that the legal version of marriage is still religious in its nature considering that it violates the rules of most religious groups in the US for marriage. People arguing from a religious standpoint are being ridiculous because clearly the legal institution of marriage is secular and the marriage laws would have nothing to do with the marriage in their churches.
    I agree. Like I said before, there is not one logical, rational or reasonable argument that would deny homosexuals (or anyone for that matter) the right to marry whomever they wanted to marry....
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    there is not one logical, rational or reasonable argument that would deny homosexuals (or anyone for that matter) the right to marry whomever they wanted to marry....
    sweeeeeeeeeping generalization. not one argument to deny anyone from marrying anyone they want.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why in the world would you use a different term when a perfectly good one already exists? Religion doesn't own marriage, it never has and never will, I couldn't care less if it offends the theotards that someone they don't like is using a word they lay claim to, they need to grow the hell up.

    Would we have been having this debate a few decades ago when multi-racial marriage became common? Oh, let's call their marriage something different because it might offend the racist religious nutballs!

    The whole debate is ludicrous.
    I think dismissing the sociological value of the label and what it represents out-of-hand as you just did demonstrates ignorance.

    Clearly, if the label meant nothing, gays wouldn't push for it.

    Your post shows that you don't really grasp either side of the issue, and that you don't really care to, either.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Religion doesn't own marriage, it never has and never will, I couldn't care less if it offends the theotards that someone they don't like is using a word they lay claim to, they need to grow the hell up.
    This, I am afraid, is an extremely inaccurate statement. Up until quite recently, Religion DID own marriage.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I agree. Like I said before, there is not one logical, rational or reasonable argument that would deny homosexuals (or anyone for that matter) the right to marry whomever they wanted to marry....
    Take CA for example: Even in the face of Prop8, gays still today have access to share with a person of the SAME gender each and every single right, without any exception at all what so ever, that heteros have.

    Yet that's not enough. Gays cry inequality, and they are correct, but not in the way it appears.

    The 14th amendment grantees equality under the law, and today gays in CA have achieved equality under the law.

    Where gays are still unequal in not under the law, but sociologically, yet there is no grantee to be equal in society nor can any court ruling dictate sociological acceptance.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by DGomez View Post
    This, I am afraid, is an extremely inaccurate statement. Up until quite recently, Religion DID own marriage.
    This is completely accurate. Marriage, until recently, was always a religious institution.
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