View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post

    You could:
    1) Allow homo/hetero people to all use the term "marriage" legally while giving individual Churches the right to refuse to wed couples if they so choose.
    2) Create the term "civil union" for all people in the legal sense, leaving marriage to religious denominations that choose to use the term in the personal sense. The government shouldn't be controlling the term "marriage" if we are truly living in a secular setup.

    Moderates have agreed to these options a long time ago. Extremists will never be satisfied. The right wing extremists will never relinquish their monopoly on this institution, and the left wing extremists will never be happy until gays are fully en par with traditionalist values in the law.

    The solution is to simply moderate the LEGAL terminology, while leaving the traditionalist terminology to the Churches and individuals to use. The law need not mention it.
    I think I'm really bad at writing polls. You option 2 is what I meant one of my options to be but I guess it didn't come out that way. As for option 1, don't churches have that right now? I agree that we should just call it all marriage for legal purposes and let the churches decide what they will do based on their beliefs.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when do the religious own the word marriage to the point where they and their books get to define what it means? Oh wait. They don't. Sorry. No compromise on this one.
    Maybe because since this country was founded and long before it is and has been a religious institution.

    You can ignore our history as a nation if you like. But in the end it would just make it possible to repeat those same mistakes.


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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You could:
    1) Allow homo/hetero people to all use the term "marriage" legally while giving individual Churches the right to refuse to wed couples if they so choose.
    You know that churches have that right already, right?

    2) Create the term "civil union" for all people in the legal sense, leaving marriage to religious denominations that choose to use the term in the personal sense.
    Why should Atheists not be allowed to be married?

    The government shouldn't be controlling the term "marriage" if we are truly living in a secular setup.
    Marriage is a creature of the state. Its impossible to have 'marriage' without involvement from the state, as the state defines the institution, its benefits, its penalties, and its interaction with the law.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples.


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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Maybe because since this country was founded and long before it is and has been a religious institution.
    The moment an atheist got married marriage stopped being a religious institution. Please stop this?

    You can ignore our history as a nation if you like. But in the end it would just make it possible to repeat those same mistakes.
    You can not ignore history that doesn't exist. Religious people getting married does not make marriage a religious institution.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    I'm an atheist and I say marriage should be left to religions. I could still get married in a church. My wife is Catholic, and we got married in a church.

    If anything, it probably just means that God recognizes her as being married, but not me.

    EDIT: P.S. I think the government should only be involved in civil unions, regardless of gender, at best. And in the end, the majority of marriage benefits should only occur if someone has kids.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    My position has always been that the term civil union should be used for all legal purposes and the marriage label left to one's religious beliefs.

    Removing marriage from legal usage will eliminate the religious dictation of our laws on what is and is not a "marriage".
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    Re: Civil Unions

    I chose:

    The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    But I actually feel that homos/heteros should all simply be able to be "Married".
    It is ridiculous that it is not already this way and ther is no logical argument backing up the haters position...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Maybe because since this country was founded and long before it is and has been a religious institution.

    You can ignore our history as a nation if you like. But in the end it would just make it possible to repeat those same mistakes.
    What are you talking about...

    marriage   /ˈmærɪdʒ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mar-ij] Show IPA
    –noun 1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
    2. the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage.
    3. the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of a man and woman to live as husband and wife, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage.
    4. a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.


    Corporations can marry, or merge too. Give homosexual marriage legal sanction, and then it is the same. There is no rational, intelligent or logical argument that can be made regarding denying homosexuals the right to get a legal marriage. Laws can change, and as long as most people are homophobic bigots, then it probably wont... but that doesn't make their position the correct one.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post

    If I had my way the gov would not be in the business of issuing marriage licenses.
    Absolutely.

    The best way to solve the gay marriage problem is to eliminate government marriage and replace it entirely with civil secular unions. Reminder: legal marriage is nothing more then a contract of rights and obligations between you, your spouse and the government.
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