View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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Thread: Civil Unions

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK this is to all of you as you seem pretty ignorant at this point.

    Go back and read my first post in this thread. Then actually follow the arguments.

    You people assume way to much for no reason.

    I have never seen such ignorance on any board I have ever posted on before. Oh wait, yes I have: the Democrat underground.

    Goodbye.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Wouldn't you need some sort of tax and legal title for grouping purposes? That's the only reason I am in favor of the civil union title. Just so there is an appropriate group such as 'Single', "Dependent', 'Civil Union', 'Spouse'.

    Personally I don't like civil union but for lack of a better title I am accepting it.
    "Married" works just fine.

    "Civilly Unioned" sorta presumes the two spouses are very very polite to one another, doesn't it?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Married" works just fine.
    Apparently it doesn't since many people think it's a religious label and that religious doctrine should dictate if our government can recognize someone as "married".

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Civilly Unioned" sorta presumes the two spouses are very very polite to one another, doesn't it?
    Perhaps a "Conjugate" then?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Apparently it doesn't since many people think it's a religious label and that religious doctrine should dictate if our government can recognize someone as "married".


    Perhaps a "Conjugate" then?
    Not that I have any room at all to correct anyone's spelling or grammar, but you mis-spelled "sociological".

    Just a friendly fyi

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not that I have any room at all to correct anyone's spelling or grammar, but you mis-spelled "sociological".

    Just a friendly fyi
    If it is a label housed in religion and given only after taking part in a religious ceremony then I call it a religious label.

    Would you say "priest", "saint", "baptized", and "sinner" are sociological rather then religious labels as well?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    My position is simple, states retain the rights to assign laws to marriage if a governing body just MUST have it's hands in the process at all. Barring governance over marriage and other personal behaviors, the only time the fed should have a say is married couples moving to a state that doesn't have compatible protections, and finally, if a church does not want to perform a marriage ceremony for whatever grounds they choose, that must be respected as a freedom of religion issue.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Would you say "priest", "saint", "baptized", and "sinner" are sociological rather then religious labels as well?
    Normally I would agree here, but now that we have an NFL player named Priest Holmes, designers that put Saint in their marketing names, etc. the rules changed a little.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If it is a label housed in religion and given only after taking part in a religious ceremony then I call it a religious label.

    Would you say "priest", "saint", "baptized", and "sinner" are sociological rather then religious labels as well?
    Religion is a key agent of socialization, everyone with a high school education knows that, so to pretend that this is news and argue that religion is somehow a stand alone entity is patently dishonest.

    All the labels, the place of the wedding, the titles of those involved, etc..those are all drapings, decorations and flavor for the same damn thing Atheists do.

    It's different only in superficial appearance.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Apparently it doesn't since many people think it's a religious label and that religious doctrine should dictate if our government can recognize someone as "married".


    Perhaps a "Conjugate" then?

    "Married" describes it just perfectly.

    If bigots don't like it, they're not required to. It's a free country, they can not like anyone they want.

    But they're not supposed to be allowed to interfere in other people's lives.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Religion is a key agent of socialization, everyone with a high school education knows that, so to pretend that this is news and argue that religion is somehow a stand alone entity is patently dishonest.

    All the labels, the place of the wedding, the titles of those involved, etc..those are all drapings, decorations and flavor for the same damn thing Atheists do.

    It's different only in superficial appearance.
    You haven't seen gay weddings...er commitment ceremonies or whatever they call them.

    The only visible differences between a gay wedding and a heterosexual wedding is the two guys on the top of the wedding cake and the fact that the "bride" might be sporting a real moustache under that veil.

    I joke...but I sold enough wedding cakes to gays and lesbians to know that they can be just as committed to their partners as any hetero couple, and that's all that really matters, IMO. They want to get married under the law just like heteros? Fine, doesn't hurt anyone else.

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