View Poll Results: Should civil unions replace marriage for legal purposes?

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  • The term civil union should replace the term marriage for legal purposes

    15 22.73%
  • Both terms, civil union (for gay couples)and marriage (for straight), should be used

    25 37.88%
  • The term marriage should be use equally for gay and straight couples

    21 31.82%
  • Gay couples should not be able to have the rights of marriage at all.

    5 7.58%
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Thread: Civil Unions

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    SCOTUS does not review weather a law is uncontitutional until after someone challenges it and brings it before them. This cannot be done until AFTER a law has passed.
    Then why has no one done it in 13 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And Loving vs Virginia was never about slavery also.
    So what?


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    Re: Civil Unions

    OK this is to all of you as you seem pretty ignorant at this point.

    Go back and read my first post in this thread. Then actually follow the arguments.

    You people assume way to much for no reason.

    I have never seen such ignorance on any board I have ever posted on before. Oh wait, yes I have: the Democrat underground.

    Goodbye.


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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then why has no one done it in 13 years?
    There is currently a lawsuit in progress to try doing just that. With some quick research it seems that there have been previous appeals to the Supreme Court, but they have not accepted it as one of the limited number of cases they rule on each year.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then why has no one done it in 13 years?
    GLAD Challenges DOMA

    You were saying?



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what?
    Do you know what Loving vs Virginia was about?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well instead of having everyone who disagrees with you post all over again. Why don't you take some initiative and actually read the thread as your question has been addressed ad nauseum.
    And you're still on the side opposite me? You like being on the wrong side?

    No wonder you ad nauseams to the thread.

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    Re: Civil Unions

    What's the difference?
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not in the case of the DOMA, it basically says "no" although hopefully the law suit will change that.
    The DOMA attempts to invalidate a section of the Constition.

    It can't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So Article IV no longer applies, and so far the DOMA has been upheld.
    Yeah, the Supreme Court has a long long history of denying people the freedoms the Constitution clearly grants them.

    Plessy vs Ferguson, Roe vs Wade, Kelo vs New London, etc.

    The logical tactic you're employing is called "argument from authority", and it's not valid.

    The court is extremely fallible. It even allowed FDR's programs to stand, even though they were clearly in violation of the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This does not apply to "marriage" as no ones rights are being infringed according to the Federal Government.
    I don't allow the government to define what my "rights" are.

    The Fourteenth Amendment clearly states all persons shall be granted equal protection under the law.

    Which part of "persons" is confusing you, or are you having difficulty with the "equal" part?

    It's a serious question, not a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not in the case of the DOMA, it basically says "no" although hopefully the law suit will change that.
    The DOMA attempts to invalidate a section of the Constition.

    It can't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So Article IV no longer applies, and so far the DOMA has been upheld.
    Yeah, the Supreme Court has a long long history of denying people the freedoms the Constitution clearly grants them.

    Plessy vs Ferguson, Roe vs Wade, Kelo vs New London, etc.

    The logical tactic you're employing is called "argument from authority", and it's not valid.

    The court is extremely fallible. It even allowed FDR's programs to stand, even though they were clearly in violation of the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please explain how I am a "bigot" by pointing out the law as it stands?
    You mean outside of the fact that you accept that some people can be treated as second-class citizens in your country for no good reason?

    How's your acceptance level on a law that would prohibit marriage between blacks and whites?

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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    My question is: Is there room for compromise in the gay marriage debate? Would it be acceptable to label all marriage (man and woman, or two men, or two women) a civil union for legal purposes. If I'm not mistaken now a couple is married once they sign the marriage certificate, the ceremony is secondary from a legal standpoint. So make all marriages a civil union in the eyes of the government with all the legal rights that go with it. Marriage would be a religious issue.
    The government need not be involved at all. There should be no marriage license or civil union. Things can be handled with separate contract and any "benefit" tax or legal wise from marriage should be removed.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What's the difference?
    If there needs to be two different titles then a difference must exist.

    Would you be OK with being labeled a "registered occupant" rather then a "citizen" like everyone else? What's the difference right? You still live in the country and get the same benefits. You just have to accept there there is a group of "citizens" out there that want to make damn sure you are never labeled a "citizen" and will always be labeled a "registered occupant".

    But there is no difference so it's OK. It's not discrimination.
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    Re: Civil Unions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The government need not be involved at all. There should be no marriage license or civil union. Things can be handled with separate contract and any "benefit" tax or legal wise from marriage should be removed.
    Wouldn't you need some sort of tax and legal title for grouping purposes? That's the only reason I am in favor of the civil union title. Just so there is an appropriate group such as 'Single', "Dependent', 'Civil Union', 'Spouse'.

    Personally I don't like civil union but for lack of a better title I am accepting it.
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