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Thread: Rate the administration

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    I would like the pro-abortionists to address scientifically how it is not human life that is being killed in the process of Abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why scientifically?
    Why scientifically? Are you serious? The answer is obvious, isn't it? *looks around*

    If it is a human life, or human being... then it is murder:

    murder   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mur-der] Show IPA
    –noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).




    Sorry but abortion does not meet the legal standard for 'murder'. It does however meets the religious one. Which is the only one you're pushing for but irrelevant at the end of the day.
    It certainly does, that is, unless you can prove scientifically that a baby inside the womb one day before it is born is not a human being, but the next day after its birth it is suddenly a human being. That is why it needs to be scientific. What is the differentiation from one day to the next that disallows the baby from being considered a human being? How about a premature baby? Is it a human being after being born after 7 months but my baby in the womb is not a human being, and thus able to be aborted at 8.5 months? That isn't even logical... unless you can back it up SCIENTIFICALLY.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Why scientifically? Are you serious? The answer is obvious, isn't it? *looks around*

    If it is a human life, or human being... then it is murder:

    murder   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mur-der] Show IPA
    –noun 1. Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).






    It certainly does, that is, unless you can prove scientifically that a baby inside the womb one day before it is born is not a human being, but the next day after its birth it is suddenly a human being. That is why it needs to be scientific. What is the differentiation from one day to the next that disallows the baby from being considered a human being? How about a premature baby? Is it a human being after being born after 7 months but my baby in the womb is not a human being, and thus able to be aborted at 8.5 months? That isn't even logical... unless you can back it up SCIENTIFICALLY.
    You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. You are starting from a premise that not all of us agree on: Your belief that ending the life of anything that is "scientifically human" is inherently wrong, and tantamount to murder. But that is not a scientific question, that is a moral question.

    I often pose this question to anti-abortion people: Why is murder illegal? (That's not meant to be rhetorical.)
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. You are starting from a premise that not all of us agree on: Your belief that ending the life of anything that is "scientifically human" is inherently wrong, and tantamount to murder. But that is not a scientific question, that is a moral question.

    I often pose this question to anti-abortion people: Why is murder illegal? (That's not meant to be rhetorical.)
    No, I actually am not. I believe that suicide should be legal. I wholeheartedly support the Death Penalty too.

    When it comes to an innocent little life with no ability to communicate though, I certainly do think that, at a certain point in the development of the baby, it is murder. That being said though, if at 9 months, the mother might die as a result of delivery (just an example) then I think that aborting would be valid and not murder. Conflicting? Seemingly, perhaps... but not illogical.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, I actually am not. I believe that suicide should be legal. I wholeheartedly support the Death Penalty too.

    When it comes to an innocent little life with no ability to communicate though, I certainly do think that, at a certain point in the development of the baby, it is murder. That being said though, if at 9 months, the mother might die as a result of delivery (just an example) then I think that aborting would be valid and not murder. Conflicting? Seemingly, perhaps... but not illogical.
    Then whether or not a fetus is "scientifically human" is a moot point, as you have already stated that not everything that is "scientifically human" has an inherent right to life.

    While I disagree with you on the death penalty AND abortion, and am unsure about suicide, I'm not going to call your morals illogical or inconsistent...since it's all one big gray area. I can offer a number of reasons why I think legalized abortion is a good thing and having the death penalty is a bad thing, but they're sociological reasons rather than moral/ethical reasons.

    I'm just pointing out that this is not something that science can ever "prove." Asking for scientific evidence that a fetus is or is not "scientifically human" is quite different than asking for evidence that abortion is or is not ethical.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Interesting....at this point (70 people voted in the poll)...64.29% of the respondents are either not pleased or unimpressed by the current occupant of the Oval Office.

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    Re: Rate the administration

    I voted for Obama and I'm somewhat pleased. I'm not sure I'm a fan of how we've dealt with the economic crisis thus far, but I didn't vote for Obama for his economic policies so I expected as much.

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then whether or not a fetus is "scientifically human" is a moot point, as you have already stated that not everything that is "scientifically human" has an inherent right to life.

    While I disagree with you on the death penalty AND abortion, and am unsure about suicide, I'm not going to call your morals illogical or inconsistent...since it's all one big gray area. I can offer a number of reasons why I think legalized abortion is a good thing and having the death penalty is a bad thing, but they're sociological reasons rather than moral/ethical reasons.

    I'm just pointing out that this is not something that science can ever "prove." Asking for scientific evidence that a fetus is or is not "scientifically human" is quite different than asking for evidence that abortion is or is not ethical.

    I agree completely... and the only reason for the scientific aspect is so that pro-abortion advocates don't have the "out" that the baby is not a baby... it is "just a fetus". That is all... I also advocate abortions in certain situations and think that the DP should not always be used. But in general, I think that abortions should not be used and more criminals should be put to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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