View Poll Results: How do you rate the Obama WH and Congress' performance thus far?

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Thread: Rate the administration

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Bush was the final nail in the coffin.. But generally I blame the republican with their loose spendings and tax cuts for the long term ill effects of the American people, its something they have learned to do themselves.

    But anyways, the problems is generations old like I said, and really I have put this on on the flawed capitalist system before, but its also convenient to blame the last few administrations for not doing anything, especially the moron Bush who just neglected everything to go to Iraq.
    I'm sorry but when Obama has authorized (even demanded) 787 billion dollars worth of money to spend on a plan that even according to him has a 30% chance of failure and yet Republicans didn't even spend 787 billion dollars on a 7 year war then are you sure that it's the republicans that can be considered "loose spenders"? And Obama has only been in office for 2 months.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I have no credit. I do not use credit cards and the only insurence company I use is to put full coverage insurence on my car. I pay it in full every time it's time to pay it. I do not spend more than I have. I do not buy something if I cannot afford to pay it in full. This has kept me out of debt. The only time that having no credit has affected me is when I applied for a quick refund for my taxes. They actually turned me down for the quick refund. No big...I just had to wait a couple extra weeks to pay for some things I needed.

    And you do know that when something is built slowly it is stronger than if something is built quickly.
    Thats nice, but sometimes you have to spend more than you have or it will get much worse than it already is...
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    Re: Rate the administration

    I dont really believe in these bailouts or the stimulus package (though some i do).

    I think the truth of it is people are just gonna have to feel the pain what is currently happening is just an attempt to postpone it and maybe make it worse.

    Despite what people say about the new deal that resulted the same way yes it created unrealistic jobs for a while but it fizzled out in the end.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    I dont really believe in these bailouts or the stimulus package (though some i do).

    I think the truth of it is people are just gonna have to feel the pain what is currently happening is just an attempt to postpone it and maybe make it worse.

    Despite what people say about the new deal that resulted the same way yes it created unrealistic jobs for a while but it fizzled out in the end.
    It was ultimately WWII that ended the Depression.

    I agree, people need to feel the pain. Bailouts don't help in the long run. The question is, will those responsible for the collapse feel the pain. I know that millions of homeowners, and such that knowingly paid much too much for houses, inflating the market to unrealistic levels are feeling the pain, but will the big whig multi-millionaires that earn way too much in the first place going to feel the pain, because all a bail-out does is help them stay in power, and they are the ****-ups that should lose their power.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It was ultimately WWII that ended the Depression.
    WWII was the biggest government spending program in the history of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    I agree, people need to feel the pain. Bailouts don't help in the long run. The question is, will those responsible for the collapse feel the pain. I know that millions of homeowners, and such that knowingly paid much too much for houses, inflating the market to unrealistic levels are feeling the pain, but will the big whig multi-millionaires that earn way too much in the first place going to feel the pain, because all a bail-out does is help them stay in power, and they are the ****-ups that should lose their power.
    I agree (somewhat). Bailouts are never a long-term solution, but they can be effective in the short term. It would be a disaster if the entire banking industry went under, and no one did anything to stop it. After the economy recovers a little, if there are still individual banks that are too weak to make it on their own, I absolutely agree they should be allowed to go under
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    WWII was the biggest government spending program in the history of the world.
    Right, and it can be argued that WWII was, to a degree, caused by the Great Depression. But without WWII, the Depression would have lingered on and on... In economic terms, WWII was a salvation for the economics of the world.



    I agree (somewhat). Bailouts are never a long-term solution, but they can be effective in the short term. It would be a disaster if the entire banking industry went under, and no one did anything to stop it. After the economy recovers a little, if there are still individual banks that are too weak to make it on their own, I absolutely agree they should be allowed to go under
    I don't think that we should just let industries completely collapse, and I should have stated that better. I agree, help where needed initially, in order to maintain the structure, then allow the markets/industries time to heal themselves. Weaker sections or companies can go under, etc, as long as the foundation of the market is secure.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    WWII was the biggest government spending program in the history of the world.



    I agree (somewhat). Bailouts are never a long-term solution, but they can be effective in the short term. It would be a disaster if the entire banking industry went under, and no one did anything to stop it. After the economy recovers a little, if there are still individual banks that are too weak to make it on their own, I absolutely agree they should be allowed to go under
    I think the problem is the bank balance sheets where unrealistic are they attempting bring the economy back to "normal" or was its just the economy was unrealistic when its was "normal"
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    I think the problem is the bank balance sheets where unrealistic are they attempting bring the economy back to "normal" or was its just the economy was unrealistic when its was "normal"

    The economy was unrealistic when it was normal. It was over inflated and fake.
    People were buying million dollars homes that were worth 750, for example.

    Things are worth what they are worth, when people spend more than something is worth for it, then that places an incorrect value on that item, making all future transactions incorrect too, until it crashes or can't sell, thus stranding the buyer.

    Take comic books. They are worth a few bucks, but some sell for thousands of dollars. This is supply and demand, of course... but to a degree, the same thing happens on the housing market. Needs versus wants. Buyers create a frenzy out there, and the media buys it up, selling and reinforcing this false notion into the people. People pat each other on the back for doing so well, and it is illusionary.

    The 90's, to me, were the 20's all over again. Buying on credit and speculation.

    I ain't no rocket scientist, and I saw this coming for almost ten years.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Thats nice, but sometimes you have to spend more than you have or it will get much worse than it already is...
    And yet I am not in debt...hmmm. Spending more than you have does nothing for your credibility and only puts you in debt.
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    Re: Rate the administration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet I am not in debt...hmmm. Spending more than you have does nothing for your credibility and only puts you in debt.
    Maybe if you're a small family. Things get slightly more complicated when you're a large, rich country..
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