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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Both are good ideas but Obama would never do it. He'd lose.

    I'd like your opinion of this WSJ article by Rush which outlines his idea of a Bipartisan Stimulus Package.

    Rush Limbaugh: My Bipartisan Stimulus - WSJ.com
    The thing i do not like about that article is that Rush is about 2 years too late in his plea for tax relief. Here is my problem with those who are ascribing to tax holidays: Its far too late, there are already trillions of dollars of liabilities to the taxpayer, of which future deficit financing is reactive to. Spending is not going to be cut, therefore taxation is the only way to ensure future investment from foreign and domestic investors.

    As much as i would like spending to be halted, that ship has sunk. I believe the reason our stimulus package is lacking is due to financial restraint, where the Dems are pushing there desired spending now, and HOPEFULLY they will enact super infrastructure stimulus, heavily laden in educational projects.

    Once fears are averted can interest rates and yields be allowed to rise. Then the private investor will begin to emerge once again.

    Which is a shame, because a great deal of crowding out will occur. A clear cut solution to this cluster**** does not exist.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why is it funny?

    Obama can not support his platform without using emotional red herrings.

    He isn't above answering for his policies which effect everyone.
    It's funny because of the way he posted it with all the emphasis.

    Look, American's don't deserve to see our President engaging over rated hyper partisans like that tub of **** Limbaugh. American's deserve to see their President run this country and work towards fixing the problems we elected him to fix.

    Debating Rush is a stupid idea and would be very un-Presidential. This is left to the likes of Al Franken or Chris Matthews.

    Here's a preview of what those matchups would look like...
    YouTube - retard fight over pokemon show
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's funny because of the way he posted it with all the emphasis. American's don't deserve to see our President engaging over rated hyper partisans like that tub of **** Limbaugh. American's deserve to see their President run this country and work towards fixing the problems we elected him to fix.

    Debating Rush is a stupid idea and would be very un-Presidential. This is left to the likes of Al Franken or Chris Matthews.
    Whether or not Rush is a fat tub of crap is irrelevant.

    Obama runs his mouth but wont defend his actions.

    He needs to put up or shut up. He has a nearly captive audience and there is no rebuttal to which Obama has to defend against.

    His policies are unsupported by facts and he will loose any debate with a competent individual.

    Some American's don't want him to be doing what he is doing. He needs to explain himself.

    Hell most anyone here could debate and win against him.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It's funny because of the way he posted it with all the emphasis.

    Look, American's don't deserve to see our President engaging over rated hyper partisans like that tub of **** Limbaugh. American's deserve to see their President run this country and work towards fixing the problems we elected him to fix.

    Debating Rush is a stupid idea and would be very un-Presidential. This is left to the likes of Al Franken or Chris Matthews.

    Here's a preview of what those matchups would look like...
    YouTube - retard fight over pokemon show
    Limbaugh hopes that Socialism fails.

    How about you?

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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Whether or not Rush is a fat tub of crap is irrelevant.
    It absolutely is relevant because of how he operates. The President has no business legitimizing a person like Limbaugh.

    Obama runs his mouth but wont defend his actions.
    How many Presidents in recent history haven't done this kind of thing at one time or another? Yet you didn't see them getting in the mud with an entertainer the likes of Limbaugh or Olberman.

    He needs to put up or shut up. He has a nearly captive audience and there is no rebuttal to which Obama has to defend against.
    So, he's the President. This is nothing new. "I'm the decider." Remember that?

    His policies are unsupported by facts and he will loose any debate with a competent individual.
    Quite possibly true. As would have Bush. I hate to sound callous about this, but so what?

    Some American's don't want him to be doing what he is doing. He needs to explain himself.
    No, not really. Just like the conservatives and the GOP went on the warpath over Democrats questioning Bush's actions, nobody ever expected Bush to actually stand up and truthfully explain what he was doing let alone debate someone like Olberman. It's the same with any other President in history.

    He was elected by the people to do a job. He's going to do it. He might fail, he might not. He wouldn't be the first to muck it up. If Americans are dissatisfied they'll fire him in 2012.

    Hell most anyone here could debate and win against him.
    And that might be true as well. But then again Obama was not elected to participate in pointless debate competitions. What would the result be? You already have your mind made up about Obama and his policies. All this would be is you getting the satisfaction of Rush up there bloviating and yammering at the President in the over the top, hyper partisan mannerism he does on his radio show. So turn on the radio and pretend he's debating Obama.

    The debating was done before the election and the people proclaimed who they thought the better man was.

    If Limbaugh is seriously wanting to debate Obama, he needs to start preparing for the 2012 primaries.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Limbaugh hopes that Socialism fails.

    How about you?
    Socialism will fail. It's a good thing we aren't going socialist here.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Limbaugh hopes that Socialism fails.

    How about you?
    You see, i do not care about what socialist's do. From what i know, there are several socialist communities, the first one in the US was only 30 miles from me, and they have never bothered me at all.

    If we did not bail out the banks (blanket their balance sheets) in October, there would most likely been 15% unemployment instantly. Paychecks are for the most part, credit structured, as firms do not want to sell assets to make payroll. It is/was simply more viable to to make 5% investing your profits, and paying no more than 3% on interest, allowing your payroll to be financed during periods when revenue falls short due to late invoice receipts.

    Wait, that means we are all socialists I don't care what i do!
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It absolutely is relevant because of how he operates. The President has no business legitimizing a person like Limbaugh.
    It makes no difference. If he is such an illegitimate person then he could easily offer a rebuttal with facts.

    I will agree though that Rush is boorish and kind of annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    How many Presidents in recent history haven't done this kind of thing at one time or another? Yet you didn't see them getting in the mud with an entertainer the likes of Limbaugh or Olberman.
    Obama himself has said that this recession is nothing we have seen since the depression.

    It doesn't matter if we have done this before. I want accountability since I am marginalized at the ballot box by ignorant fools.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So, he's the President. This is nothing new. "I'm the decider." Remember that?
    Bush sucked ass. In fact the last 100 plus years of presidents have sucked ass.

    It doesn't make it ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Quite possibly true. As would have Bush. I hate to sound callous about this, but so what?
    So if he can't defend his policies, why is he even in office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    No, not really. Just like the conservatives and the GOP went on the warpath over Democrats questioning Bush's actions, nobody ever expected Bush to actually stand up and truthfully explain what he was doing let alone debate someone like Olberman. It's the same with any other President in history.
    Democrats had an absolute right to demand an explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    He was elected by the people to do a job. He's going to do it. He might fail, he might not. He wouldn't be the first to muck it up. If Americans are dissatisfied they'll fire him in 2012.
    He was elected by some people to do the job.

    He also has limits to his job which he readily ignores.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And that might be true as well. But then again Obama was not elected to participate in pointless debate competitions. What would the result be? You already have your mind made up about Obama and his policies. All this would be is you getting the satisfaction of Rush up there bloviating and yammering at the President in the over the top, hyper partisan mannerism he does on his radio show. So turn on the radio and pretend he's debating Obama.
    It's not pointless. If he can't use facts to defend his idea's and policies then why should anyone support him any longer?

    Why should we even allow him to continue being president if he is unqualified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    The debating was done before the election and the people proclaimed who they thought the better man was.
    The election debates are documented farces. That is not a debate in any real way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    If Limbaugh is seriously wanting to debate Obama, he needs to start preparing for the 2012 primaries.
    Anyone can question the president. Rush has a significant amount of supporters that back him.

    He deserves to be answered in some substantial way.

    That is irrespective of whether I like him or not.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It makes no difference. If he is such an illegitimate person then he could easily offer a rebuttal with facts.

    I will agree though that Rush is boorish and kind of annoying.
    That's not the point. The point is that Obama doesn't need to do this. Nothing will be accomplished. No problem in our nation will be fixed. In fact, it will detract from his job of running this country. We have enough partisan divisiveness as it is, this is pointless.

    Obama himself has said that this recession is nothing we have seen since the depression.

    It doesn't matter if we have done this before. I want accountability since I am marginalized at the ballot box by ignorant fools.
    A debate with Rush Limbaugh would not give you any level of accountability. And your opinion of your fellow American voters is duly noted. It sucks to feel marginalized, but that's what happens to the losing team.

    Bush sucked ass. In fact the last 100 plus years of presidents have sucked ass.

    It doesn't make it ok.
    I never said it made anything okay. It's the reality. There is no precedent for this kind of nonsense. Again, this debate would accomplish absolutely nothing.


    So if he can't defend his policies, why is he even in office?
    Well, he's in office because the American people put him there. The majority had enough faith in his abilities to elect him. And you don't know he can't defend them.

    Democrats had an absolute right to demand an explanation.
    And they did.

    He was elected by some people to do the job.
    Point taken.

    He also has limits to his job which he readily ignores.
    That's your opinion.

    It's not pointless. If he can't use facts to defend his idea's and policies then why should anyone support him any longer?
    It absolutely is pointless. He should be judged on his job performance, not his ability to exchange barbs with a hyper partisan wind bag. The people don't have to support him after he's elected for any reason. But the fact is, he's already elected. If he mucks this up, he will lose support. That's how it works.

    Why should we even allow him to continue being president if he is unqualified?
    Maybe you should go ahead and start a petition for impeachment or something. I don't know what to tell you. This struggle belongs to you and those who share your opinion.

    The election debates are documented farces. That is not a debate in any real way.
    Well, that's where the Presidential debating is done. I understand you are frustrated. I just can't get behind your belief that this is even remotely productive to any measurable degree.

    Anyone can question the president. Rush has a significant amount of supporters that back him.
    I agree. Our nation has questioned every President since the beginning. Rush's fan base is irrelevant on this issue because there is no Constitutional right that guarantees anyone an hour to directly debate the President of the United States.

    He deserves to be answered in some substantial way.
    Sure, and each and every one of us deserve to have the President explain himself to us until we are satisfied. But reality predicates that this is simply not going to happen no matter how badly we think it should.
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    Re: Should Obama debate Rush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That's not the point. The point is that Obama doesn't need to do this. Nothing will be accomplished. No problem in our nation will be fixed. In fact, it will detract from his job of running this country. We have enough partisan divisiveness as it is, this is pointless.
    If a better idea is presented during a debate then it is not pointless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    A debate with Rush Limbaugh would not give you any level of accountability. And your opinion of your fellow American voters is duly noted. It sucks to feel marginalized, but that's what happens to the losing team.
    My fellow Americans can elected the same tow parties for over 100 hundred years expecting different results.

    That is what a fool does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I never said it made anything okay. It's the reality. There is no precedent for this kind of nonsense. Again, this debate would accomplish absolutely nothing.
    A precedent doesn't need to be made. It is holding elected representative accountable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well, he's in office because the American people put him there. The majority had enough faith in his abilities to elect him. And you don't know he can't defend them.
    I surely do know for the most part a lot of his idea's are defenseless based on objective logic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It absolutely is pointless. He should be judged on his job performance, not his ability to exchange barbs with a hyper partisan wind bag. The people don't have to support him after he's elected for any reason. But the fact is, he's already elected. If he mucks this up, he will lose support. That's how it works.
    It is not exchanging barbs it is debating which idea is superior based on objective facts and logic.

    If his idea's fail it will cost me and my kids a lot of money and labor.
    Wasting my resources is not something I welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Maybe you should go ahead and start a petition for impeachment or something. I don't know what to tell you. This struggle belongs to you and those who share your opinion.
    The struggle belongs to every person who wants an accountable government.
    It seems your willing to roll over and take it because that is what has happened in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Well, that's where the Presidential debating is done. I understand you are frustrated. I just can't get behind your belief that this is even remotely productive to any measurable degree.
    It is not where it is done but how it is done.

    It is controlled by the candidates to a huge degree and any viable third party is restricted from debating so that democrats and republicans can consolidate power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I agree. Our nation has questioned every President since the beginning. Rush's fan base is irrelevant on this issue because there is no Constitutional right that guarantees anyone an hour to directly debate the President of the United States.
    You are right, but we can redress our grievances. Rush has a lot of supporters and can be considered a representative of some large group of people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Sure, and each and every one of us deserve to have the President explain himself to us until we are satisfied. But reality predicates that this is simply not going to happen no matter how badly we think it should.
    Not each and everyone but groups with a large support base do have the option of redressing our grievances.
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